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Imperial Parliament. Monday, June Litk. ...
ttfrongh thte & rmy ^ : vrhich--m > nld' bte ^ muoh ? - more eeonxj 1 rnical tban ther' -iiiHtia-.- What would be * tlieMcondition of things if the whole of'the Militia-- \ vero -to lte called oat it wonld ' be d-iSteuhVto say ; for it va 3- known-that many met * had enrolled themselves 5 a several- regiments at different times , and , if the whole of the MHiiia- 'waa called out , there -would' bfr at leases forty per cent , of the men missing- from- tbe ^ different * regiments . "— -The IXdke- of" Newoa-SCT / K urged' that- Lord- Efardinge should lay-the- ' - instructions to the commission' on- th « table as soon as they were issued ! He- also arged the necessity " 'for adopting- son-ie-- regular systenvto provide the necessary barrack aeco > mnrroilatior >;— -Viscount MklvrttE-declared' that there vras scarcely a barrack- in Scotland that was fit for th-e aecoram-odution ofitro & psr—The subject then dropped . The- Chanoeuy ¦ Asienpment ¦• Bipi . was read a third times and passed .
SIR JAME 8 ' BROOICE . A ' notice wis-oh the papnr from the'Earl ' ofKrsTQSTONj announcing- liis -intention to- ask' the First' Lord of- the Treasury whether Rajah Brooke has reeentlj' made- any application- to ller ' Mftjest-y- ' 3 Groveirnnreiit for compensation- for losses 'alleged 11 to have been incurred in-the public service in- Borneo ; andwhether it is theintention of the Government to entertain-any suelv applica * tio ' n . The-Earl accordingly rose , and twice endeavoured to pat his questions * but b ^ thtimes-was interrupted by the-Earl'of Malmesbury 1 , wfro rosfr to order , and finally , to put an end to the subject , moved- the adjottrnnient : " of the House ; which-was-agreed to , arrrt' the sitting termiminated at a'quarter-past eight ; tiiOH' price ¦ of meat : In the House of Commojis , - Srr De Lacy Evasts presented a petition from inhabitants of'the metropolis , complaining of the high price of- meat , and praying the House to take measures to provide a remedy . MILITARY CHAPLAINS . Mr . Hume asked the SecreUr } ' - for " War if the Government contemplated the appointment of Presbyterian military chaplains in the chief garrison towns of the United Kingdom .- —General Peel said that , it was the interi tidnof the Government to appoint additional Presbyteriarr and Roman Catliolie assistant chaplains , in order to place Presbyterian and Roman Catliolic soldiers upon the same footing in regard to tlie number of chaplains as their Protestant brethren . AH chaplains would also in future be placed upon the same footing in regard to pay . He would take that opportunity of replying to questions put-to him on a former occasion by the member for Salisbury , as to the supply of water at the Chatliam barracks , and the overcrowding of the barracks . He had received a communication from'the commandant , to the eflect that there was generally ; an abundant supply of ' water . On the previous Wednesday , the supply was short , owing to the machinery getting out of order ; but this inconvenience had since been remedied , and there was now plenty of water for everything . In regard to the overcrowding of barracks , the commandant stated that the garrison is now very strong , but that accommodation is abundant , and the troops are hcaltliv .
THE A-VJSTRALIAN" MAIL SERVICE . In answer , to questions by Mr . IIknry BmticuLftv and Mr . Divett , Mr . Hamilton said that the Treasury had bean in communication some time ago with the European and Australian Steam Packet Company , in consequence of a strong representation made by a deputation from the colonies . The object of the communications was to promoto an amalgamation with the Royal Mail Company ; and an extension of the term of contract . When the . amalgamation project was broken . ofiy the . directors of the European and . Australian Company entered into further communication with the Treasury , with a view to the attainment , to some extent , of the object set forth iu the treaty , and also to oxtend the servicaiu . many respects . Having , however , seen tho resolutions adopted l > 3 ' the shareholders for the winding up and dissolution of the company , he felt it his- duty to suspend any further negotiations on tho subject . Her Majesty ' s Government had to proceed with caution ; but stc |> s had , been taken , to prevent any interruption of- tho mail service . INDIA . Replying to Sir Erskinu Pkuuy , Lord Stanley read an extract from a privato letter of-Lord Canning , and auothor from , a privato letter of , Mr . Moaturomorv . nclosed
e in tho former , giving a favourable account of the pacification of Oude . THE « OVEnNM 12 NT OV INDIA . The Committee on tho resolutions respecting the Government of India was then resumed , when Lord Stanley proposed the fifths resolution— " That , with a view to the cillcicncy and independence of tho Council it ih expedient tlint it should be partly nominated and partly elected . " Thoro wore three modes of nomination I' irstly , thoro was nomination for good behaviour—practically , for life ; but to this plan there was the strong objection that a certain proportion of the Council would nlways bo incapable , throug-li tho infirmities of age , of performing their duties in a satisfactory manner . A second mode was nomination for a long term , without renomination ; but this would ho inexpedient in practice , from , the manner in -which it would operate on pewonar of diffetent ages , and thora would not bo the eamo guarantor far independence- as by nomination for
lire .- A-- third principle' was- nomination for'a- sh ' ort term , wit ^ a power- to renominate :- butt'to this if might fiWrly her < objected 5 that the- members would' thus- be placed "in ¦ a position- of too great dependence' on- th ' e Minister of- '' the day : The first : of thtese-methods he ( Lord Stanley ) thoaght presented the fewest' incouve < niencea- ; b > t the--question arose-whether / it would-not b ' e better- to elecfr a portion- of the Courier * : The" corrstitueneyjto-bepixjpoiedina subsequent ' resolation ^ would consist of >' proprietors of East' India-- Stock ; holders of TfrctianrailWay shares ; and refeired'oflieers inthfr various branches of ' v the Indian service , forming- an- aggregate number of ; between-. 7000 and 8000 , embodying a large amount of persons' interested" in Indian affair . v who would combine witik- a knowledge of ; Indian adrrri nistrationfreedomfronT political bias ; ' Lord ' John-R 1 DSS 1 SE . L moved , by w < iy of-amen-dment , tlfat'f . h &' nifirrrhp . vs-nl- ' flifi ¦ C ! ninif » il lin- nnnnlnfe /) . ' ' 7 ^ i- Ivr * . ___
— — — - ^ —^ -w . — w — » - ^ ^^ w - m * e * m a . m ^ * rf % . * | ' -T * * " * * * V ^/ Vfc U ^ ^ L *¦ 4 Majesty ; In thai ; case , the Minister - of ' - the- day . would be- responsible for any- unfit- appoiritraenh With- the exception of- 'retired-Ihdian servants ,- the proposed constituents would feel na' special interest in the- -welfare of India-. —Sir James G-kauam was opposed to any change in the-government of-India at the-present moment . ' StiHj effect'must- ' be- -given to the decision . oft the-House . Cbrrtrnry to the wishes of Mr . Briglrt ' ,- lie ( Sir James ) ' wisb ' ij'd to reduce , the change to a . minimum ^ and-to make the Cotmcil ' as like the Court' of Directors as-possible . He would build on ; the old foundation * and he was disposed to think-tliat'th ' e members for the Council should be-noinirrated in tlie bill ; that they should hold office daring good behaviour ; and that a large portion of the prcserrt Court of Directors should be awtong the persons nominated . The principle of nomination might be combined with the principle of election ; and accordingly he was prepared to vote for the resolution before the House , but not for the seventh , which . established a . peculiar constituency for the elected members . By the suggestions he had thrown out , he believed a safe mode would be afforded of introducing still further changes in time , without the danger of incurrhig . a violent shock . —Sir G . C . Lewis reiterated his opinion that the present form of government of India is cumbrous and inefficient ; that it is desirous at once to remodel it ; and . that it is of essential importance that the President of the Board of Control , should have the advantage of a consultative council . However , they ought not to rely on a flucfuatihg constituency , such as Indian stock-holders , for the election of any portion of the Council . The stock is liable to be extinguished at any time . —Sir EksiciniiPeruY thought that the power and intelligence of the Court of Directors had been praised to a most fulsome extent . When had they ever resisted the will of Ministers ? But , with all their faults , they were a better body than w « uld be got together under the proposed system . —Mr . Sidney UEHBiatT believed that b y the- proposed sj'stem they would have all the evils of election without any of the good . of representation . — Mr . WiLi . ouGiiiiY did not think that the attacks made on the East India Company were justiQed by facts , lie was glad to lind that there was to be no change with regard to the administration of the revenue oi inuia elective
. me principle is surrounded by diificulties ; but it possesses many advantages . —Mr . Lii > - eell asked for some explanation from the Government as to how the local Governments in India were to be appointed . —Lord Goderich said that it seemed not to bo the intention of the-Government to give the Council any power or control over the Minister for India . Care , however , should be taken to secure the perfect responsibility of the Minister . He could not support the resolution proposed by Lord Stanley , but should give his vote , in case of a division , in favour of the amendment . of Lord John Eusscll . —Mr . II . Baiiaii . j defended the resolution Mr . "Veunox Smith observed that there was no good reason for supposing , that a Council nominated by the Crown would necessarily be subservient . Since 1853 the Court of Directors had been partly nominated ; but no one had ventured to say that the gcutlemeu so appointed arc wanting in independence . On . the , other hand , it had been shown that many persons of great eminence and knowledge of Indian affairs had declined to submit to the humiliation of canvassiwg . for eloction to . tho Court of Directora . ^ -Mr . Cu . uming , Bkuoiq thought , it ^ necessary that tliere should bo some check upon the Minister for India , and suggested thati the object , would be best secured by the appointment of a : ^ i i Dv itu inu
v ... v , » . uv . Hum jirc-bunt * ji > uri or uirectors . —Colonel Sticks remarked that the Council . as . proposed to bo constituted would operate us a checkion disbursements for Indian purposes ; bnt he asked whether control was to bo cxercieed over such attempts as had boon made in days gone by to plunder the treasuries of Oudo and Sattara , against , which the late Mr . Hume so often raised his yoici ' . The question now was , how was tho committee to bo' constituted ? Was it to bo wholly nominated by the Crown ? Orwn . s it to bo partly so nominated and partly elected ? Lord Stanley admitted that tho constituency proposed , or any other , would not bo froe from objection ; but ho had Huggcstetl that , in the event of tho I 16 uso deciding tlint the Council should bo partly elective , and not -wholly nominated by the Crown , a certain constituency for election , which would secure independence ¦ in the Council , was available . Hut tho inodo was one of detail , tlio principle ) being tho security of the independence of the Council . Tho Government would not
. ; object-to ar » y'mode > Avhich ' the H * Hse-ni % ht * thTde-: : right . ; to-adopt to seetrre tike end ; placing semecheckf on ! -the s un & oratToHed nomination of- the * Grown ; Thit-waataH i that'was laid ' doTn * in the re 3 olation . ' : Lord ' rAXMERSTOJT dissented from the- views- which had-beeniexpressed ' by Sir James Graham ; and ^ tkaugfcfc ! thatj if the- elective * principle be- good , itf otrgMt' to ^ bfe ¦ general ; so ¦ that' the- vvr ?«> le of" the Council sttouM- l / e l elected . . ¦ _ Miv Gla tysroNE ^ observed' th at it was- evident-tbirt * j in' the-opinion of the-Gomrinttee , there were many r strong- objections to both extreme principles ^—eleeHbn by a constituency on one hand , and pure rionrirratioii- ' on the other . With regard to the--first , it had not been brouglr tbefbretheCoimnittee in a definite-formv- 'bot , 'as tortominatiwn bytlieOrown , the- objections to if ivere of svecHi a character tliat-they would feel them nrnevaml ¦ i * obivii rto nit ^ j- / tccuCTi xic ieit tnc
• -w ^ g ^ ^ n ; . coTlavitirtional objection- ; but this was secondary to the ^ ctmsideration of how- to ^ reconcile nomination of ' theCrcmn with the independence of : the- Council . It would- bte impossible to have-an-independent Council free'dfriimr SHspieion , if ' the- principle of : nomination for" a termrenewable by the Crown were adopted ; - aadj ¦; if " the > nomination Aver © fixr ' i lifey the offices-- might elapse into sinecuceS r op the holdersmiight ; become incompetents It wast difficult ; , therefore ' , to get over the .- objection ** ta nom > inatioji by the Grown . The favourable ^ nsanneB'in which 1 Sir 1 James Graham ' s- proposition- had 'been ? -re * ceived : by the Committee- held : out a . prosuect oft it » ultimate > acceptance . The sovtndnoss of its priociplei rendered-it : liloely that it would-seeure increased -favooE ; it recommended itself , iirst , by its merits ^ and , secondly ^ as- a mode of escape from a-dilficulty . After a furthsr discussion , daxin ^ i whicli' the ' Chsih * celloe op THBExjeiiBQUER reminded the Committee that . the resolution did not pledge it to approve-anyfspecific-mode of election- or any particular constitueoey ^ j a . division took place ; . wlnen Lord John RuasoH ' s > a « tt « ad-i ment was negatived ! by- 550 ; to 185 . The question upon the resolution being putj . Lord / GoDEBicii moved : that the Chairman report progress ,-, in . order to afford time for the consideration of Sir JaaiB 3 > Graham's proposition .- —This motion was : negativedr upon a divisionrby 239 to ' 15 . 5 . — The resolutioa - vvaS : tlien-agreed to , and the Chairman was ordered to-rerp , ort progress * The Jiouse having , resumed , some formal business was ; got through , and an adjournment took-place rat : twenty ;* miuutes-to one o ' clock . Tuesduy , June 15 tk . MANNOfG THE INAVY . In the . Housis of Louds , in reply to a question from . Lord Brougham , the Earl of Malmksbouy stated tout a commission had been appointed to inquire into the best mode of manning the navy ; but it should not , be > supposed that the present naval force could not . be manned in a short space of time , or that , ships enough . to defend the Channel could not bo immediately provided with crews . :
PROPBKTlf QUALIFICATION B 1 LT ,. Earl Foutksooe moved the second reading of this ^ bill , - which was strongly opposed by Lord Ravenhworth , ' tlw Earl of Ciancarty , and the Earl of'WiCKLow , on' theground 1 that the measure had a revolutionary ten--den « y , and was an advance towards Chartism . —Lord-BitouoHAM'thought that ; as tho qualification was often * proved by falsehood , and sometimes by perjurv , it ought 1 to be abolished ; but the' abolition should' he accompanied by an act rendering , incapable of holding , a seat all persons who should not have paid their debts witlvin twelvo months after they had been declared , bankrupt .. He gave notice that he should introduce a , measure to , that effect . —Lord Denmak moved that the billborcad a third time that day six months ; but this was , neg . aV tived without a division . —The bill was then read a third time ,- and passed . MR- MAODKKMOIT . Tho Marquis . of : Cj , a . kiucaudk , after some discussion , withdrew his motion- for considering ., a , petition , fromi Mr . Macdennott ,. prayingJhatthe hearing ; of the antioUssi of charge against him be . postponed from the 21 sts ; of . June toithc 10 th of . July .. The House adjourned , at . twenty minutes to seven o'clock . '
There was a . morning sitting ; of the House of Com * - mons , which assembled jit twelve ololock . TniS CA 8 JS OV Mlt . " TOWNSEND . Mr . FrrznoY itioved that a copy of the record ' of the adjudication of bankruptcy against Mr . John Townsentf , tho member-for Greenwich , be read in conjunction with tho Act 52 nd of Gco . III ., cap . 144 . —This having been done , a discussion ensued in which Mr . Towflsrernv took parf ( afUrming tti ' nt ho had obtained legal advice , and had boon instructed that ho was entitled to sit in the House ) , and which resulted in tho following resolutioa being agreod to : — "That Mr . Jolm Townsend , momtor f 6 r the boroagh of Greenwich , having been f 6 und , < leclorcd , and adjudged a bankrupt , from tho 29 th of March , had Binco been , and Htilt was , bylaw , incapable of '' siHting and voting in that House . " This , however , does not amount to a permanent exclusion of the lion , gentlcman , tho law merely requiring that ho ahall retire t 6 r a your , for tho sottloment of hia aluiira .
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Leader (1850-1860), June 19, 1858, page 3, in the Nineteenth-Century Serials Edition (2008; 2018) ncse2.kdl.kcl.ac.uk/periodicals/l/issues/cld_19061858/page/3/
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