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even to possess an intimate knowledge of the intentions of the Government—was correct . He felt that he was justified in asking the noble lord whether there was any ground or proof whatever that M . Kossuth was compromised in any way , or in any manner connected with this affair ? He wished to have an explicit answer , because he thought it was due to that distinguished person that immediately after the charge had been made in a portion of the press , and which was then travelling over the wide world , that such an answer should be given that his character should be cleaved , and that his exculpation should be circulated as widely as the charge ( hear , hear ) . Lord Palmekston : With respect to the question put to me by the honourable member for Finsbury , it appears to me that the honourable member knows so much more about
the matter than I do myself , that if there were to be any interchange of questions and answers between us , I think that I ought to put the questions and the honourable member to answer me . ( A laugh . ) It was not out of any disrespect to the honourable member that I did not answer the question which he put to me . I must refer him to his own knowledge , and not to ray acquaintance with the facts of the case . Mr . Buncombe wished to know whether the noble lord was not perfectly well aware that the premises entered were the works of Mr . Hale ? /
Lord Palmeeston : No ; I really do not ; know that . Mr . Duncombe : Would the noble lord , then , inform the house to wliom the premises belonged , and the arms which were seized ? Lord Palme es ton : I can only say that , though I must plead ignorance , I do not mean to dispute the assertion of the honourable member for Finsbury , that the premises might have been used as a rocket manufactory for the last six years . It is possible that that may be so . I do not , however , know . With respect to the other question put
by the honourable member for Manchester , in regard to M . Kossuth , I am quite sure that the House will feel that , in the present stage of these proceedings , and with every respect to him—I have cast no imputations- ^ -I have not done so upon any person—I have stated that it remains to be ascertained to whom these premises belong , and who are the parties chiefly concerned in this manufacture ; but I am quite sure that upon reflection he will feel that it would not be proper for me to enter into any of these details at present . ( Hear , hear . )
Lord I ) . Stua-KT considered it very convenient for the noble lord , whenever a question was put in the House which it was not agreeable to his feelings to answer explicitly , to indulge in the exercise of that pleasantry the talent for which , he possessed to so high a degree . The noble lord jvas very much in the habit of having recourse to that mode of action , and sometimes in a manner which although the House at the time might enjoy , still could not altogether approve of . ( Hear , hear . ) With respect to the last question , however , put to the noble lord , he ( Lord Palmerston ) had declined to oast any imputation upon the distinguised individual alluded to . So far , therefore , they had got that , up to the present moment , the charge which had been brought against Kossuth by a portion of the press had not been supported by the Government , and that
the noble lord the Secretary for the Home Department had at any rate refused to endorse that charge . ( Hear , hear . ) It was clue not only to M . Kossuth , but to the House and to the public , to possess some information on the subject . With respect , to M . Kossuth , whatever might bo thought of him by those who had come to a conclusion before they had heard the evidence , he ( Lord D . Stuart ) saw no reason why persons -who had hithorto felt reason to admire him should , at an ^ y rate for the present , withdraw those feelings from him . ( Hear , 'hear . ) He was able to state that M . Kossuth himself denied all knowledge of these transactions , and that he had declared in writing that he had no knowledgo whatever of them until they wore shown to him that morning in the newspaper which had so hastily—to say tho least of it—given currency to tho charge .
Mr . Aolionuy said that , although he knew nothing of tho case , still that House of justice which lie thought every JOnjjlishman should feel , induced him to express his opinion that it was certainly Tory hard upon an illustrious exilo that ho should bo charged , us ho had been informed M . Kossuth had boon , in an article which had appeared in ono of tho morning papers , with an . offence as it proved ; who was by tho statement of tho noblo lord no such charge had boon mado by tho Government . Tho article referred to still od Unit a houso in tho occupation of M . Kossulh had boon searched , and a quantity of warlike stores found in it . Now , wan that tho iaet p
if ho undorHtood correctly what tho noble lord had miid , this houso wa . s not ui all in tho occupation of M . Kossuth . Thin statement was , therefore , nuido upon wrong information . ( Hoar , boar . ) Ho was anxious , howovor , to call public attention to tho fact , that it , hud boon completely negatived Unit tho house was in posHesniou of M . Kossuth , and that nothing had boon established up to thin moiiuuit against him . ( Hoar , hear ) Ho thought that it was duo to U . io character of tho journal in which tho statement appeared that its conductors should stato that they had boon acting upon misinformation ; and Unit this apology should travoi an widely in that paper as tho erroneous statement had don « .
The conversation then dyoj > pod , and tho motion lor tho adjournment , of tho House , from its rising , to Monduy next , was utrroed to .
'J'UK CASK OK MR . CHAUFOItl ) . Lord 1 ) . Stuart called tlio attention of the House , on Tuesday , to tho expulsion of Mr . (' raufurd from tho Tuscan dominions . Mr . Uniufurd , ho . said , was the brother of an honourable- member of that House , and bad for Koine years held ollioo under tho Uritiah Government in tiie island of Corfu . On his way to this country , Mr . Oaufunl punned through Florence , whero ho was compelled to stay ft fow days , in consequence of
the detention of the steamer . On returning to his home one night , he was , to his great surprise , accosted by two police officers , who told him that the orders of the Government wore , that he should leave Tuscany within twenty-four hours . The following morning Mr . Craufurd applied to Mr . Scarlett , the charge * d ' affaires in Florence , who represented the case to the Tuscan Government . His intercession , however , was unavailing , and Mr . Craufurd was further informed , that if he hesitated to leave Tuscany within the prescribed time , force would he resorted to in order to compel his departure . Mr . Craufurd had done nothing to give offence to the Grand Duke of Tuscany—he had not even read his Bible . ( A laugh . ) He wished , therefore , to know whether the attention of her Majesty ' s Government had been directed to the case ; if so , whether any remonstrance had been made to the Tuscan
Government ; and whether there would be any objection to lay the correspondence on the table of the House ? Lord J . Bussexl said that it was perfectly true that Mr . Craufurd was expelled by the Tuscan Government from its dominions , upon the suspicion of his being engaged in some revolutionary attempts , which were , however , entirely unfounded . The Secretary for Foreign Affairs had remonstrated on the subject , and had stated that Mr . Craufurd had gone to Florence upon his way
from Corfu . Upon this statement , the Tuscan Minister for Foreign Affairs had expressed his regret at the occurrence , admitted that the suspicions were unfounded , and stated that Mr . Craufurd should be at liberty at any time , ' on his return to Corfu , to visit Florence without fear of being molested . With respect to the production of the correspondence , there was some difficulty on that subject , as he believed that it would tend in some degree to prevent the amicable settlement of difficulties of this character .
Abortive Motions . —Tuesday was signalized by two abortive motions . Sir De Lact Evans moved for leave to bring in a Bill to alter the scale of duties on carriages . He proposed to lighten the paym ; nt by those who were at present charged , and to impose a tax upon those who ought to be , but who at present escaped . He dwelt , among other points , upon the system by which carts , built nominally at a low price , and bearing the names of their aristocratic owners , evaded the duty , and upon the way in which carriages were put down , that the proprietors might compound at a low rate for the tax , and then resumed . Mr . Tuenek seconded the motion . Mr . Bright stated that the present system of taxation was most injurious to the coach-building business .
Mr . Gladstone said , that the decline in the revenue from this tax , and in the receipts of the trade , were partially attributable to railways . But he admitted that the case was a hard ono , that the taxes were high , and that the exemptions were very objectionable . But , to give relief , the House must either submit to a serious loss of revenue , or pluck up their courage and cut to tho root of the exemptions . But as his own explanation on all such subjects would cease to loom in the future on Monday next , ho should respectfully decline entering into further discussion at that moment . Sir De Lacy Evans thereupon withdrew his motion .
The same course was followed by Mr . William : Williams , on a more important question . Ho moved resolutions to the effect that an enormous amount of tho public money is annually intercepted in its way from tho people ' s pockets to the Treasury , and that it is indispensable that the wliolo of tho public income should , without any doduction , bo paid into her Majesty ' s Exchequor . He stated that in 1851 tho amount so intercepted and expended was 6 , 073 , 151 Z ., of which amount 6 , 022 , 257 / . was deducted from the gross receipts of tho taxm by the various revenue departments , and expended for tho payment of their officers and other purposes , without tho supervision and control of Parliament . Captain IScoukll seconded tho
. Mr . Gladbtonu had a very simple duty to poriorm in reference to this motion . Ho had years ago expressed his opinion ( hat the charges for collecting the public revenue should be under tho control of Parliament , and lie could now state that such measures were being taken on tho part of Government as could he adopted lor ameliorating an unsound system by introducing that principle . Nor would these endeavours be desisted from until accomplished . Mr . WilmaiwB expressed himself much gratified with tho statement of tho Chancellor of tho Exchequer , and withdrew his motion .
CoMi'iJi-HOKV Vaccination . —Lord Lyttultoji , who entered into tho subject at great length , moved that tho Vaccination Extension Bill should bo committed . Tho Enrl of SuAi'TKHiiuuv was of opinion that , tho demand for a compulsory enactment was valid . Tho lOarl of Ei . lknuoiiouoii suggostod that tho bill should be committed , and reprinted with tho amendments for the purpose of increasing the facilities for vaccination amongst the poorer classes . This HiiggeHtion Wus agreed to . Oantkiihijuy . —On the motion of Lord Aberdeen , tho address for n commission of inquiry prayed for by tho ht
Commons , wns ugnwd to in tho . Lords on Monday nig . On behalf of this Opposition , Lord Lyndimjuht , and Lord St . LicoNAitDH , gave battb on technical grounds , but eventually withdrew without- confessing themselves benton . It appears that tho A <; fc of last , year requires that tho words " extensively prevailed" must bo employed when any election couunitteo winliOH to intimate that a constituency is so corrupt that a Honrehhig inquiry should follow . Owing to tho mudvertonco of Mr . Ivor Hoyinor , tho chairman of tho Canterbury committee , other words , importing a generally corrupt stiito of tho borough , woro
Clithbeoe . —On the motion of Mr . Gaskexl , and after a brief debate as to whether treating and intimidation came within the Act of Parliament as corrupt practices , it was agreed by 141 to 58 that a commission should issue to inquire into elections at Clitheroe . Incidentally Mr . Walpole stated that he would shortly introduce a bill to amend and consolidate the laws relating to bribery , treating , and intimidation . Election Committees . —The Committees on corrupt elections have opened with the resumption of Parliament , but not in that force which characterised the opening of the session . Inquiries are proceeding into the elections of Cockermouth , Taunton , and Tynernouth . At the first the evidence looks questionable , and refers to treating and has resulted in the
used but it was found necessary to use the terms prescribed by the Act in the address . This , said the legal authorities , was telling the Queen an untruth , inasmuch as no election committee had reported in so many words that bribery " extensively prevailed . " But it was argued on the other side , that the words used , " system of corruption generally prevailed , " were equivalent to those required by the Act . A case of this kind was put : suppose the committee had reported that 299 out of a constituency of 300 voters were bribed—should that prevent a commission issuing because the word extensively was not used ? The Duke of Newcastle reproached the Opposition with taking merelv technical grounds instead of betraying a willingness to assist the other House in an attempt to purify the representation of the country .
kidnapping . The Taunton inquiry unseating of Mr . Mills , but the inquiry has still several issues . Tynemoutb . exhibits considerable depravity , as far as the evidence goes . The Dartmouth Committee have decided that Sir Thomas Herbert was duly elected . But the worst of the batch is Leicester , and that in a sense contrary to the others . The most shameful charges were preferred against Sir Joshua Walrnsley and Mr . Gardner ; but -when Investigated , they turned out to have been trumped up . Several men , named Ludlam , told the most absurd stories , some with reference to past elections . In fact , the petitioners had determined to get up a case , and were easily led to believe anything told them . The whole case for the petitioners broke down ; and after protracting the oppositionthe petition was , at length , withdrawn .
, An attempt was made to prove that Mr . Keogh was not qualified , but the allegations were baseless . A combination to embarrass Mr . Keogh , in which the name of " C . Lempriere" occurs , was disclosed . The committee found that Mr . Keog h had been duly elected for Athlone . New Writs have been issued for Athlone , Carlow , and Huddersfield . Ecclesiastical Couets . —The following resolutions have been agreed to by the Committee on Ecclesiastical Courts , and have been ordered to be submitted to the Society for Promoting the Amendment of the Law : —
" 1 . That the present jurisdiction of the ecclesiastical courts , so far as testamentary matters are concerned , ia universally acU mitted to be unsatisfactory , and requires extensive reform . " 2 . That this reform should consist of a transfer of their present " iurisdiction in testamentary matters to a court clothed with jurisdiction as well over wills of real as of personal estate . " 3 . That to create a new court for the purpose would be unadvisable if any existing court can bo found to which such enlarged jurisdiction may be properly entrusted , and to which complete powers can ,. be given . " 4 > That tho existing courts of common law and county
courts , not having an equitable jurisdiction or power of dealing with trustees , or with equitable matters arising in the construction of wills , should not , as at present constituted , be entrusted with such enlarged jurisdiction . " 5 . That tho existing courts of oqwity , not having any power of empanelling a jury , or of conclusively deciding issues oi fact , are under a similar disqualification . " 6 . That in order to do complete justice in testamentary matters , it is necessary that tho court to which they are entrusted should possess the full and conjoined powers of a court of law and of a court of equity . _ _ _
" 7 . That no thorough or satisfactory settlement of tho questions ponding with respect to tho testamentary jurisdiction of tho ecclesiastical courts can bo eonio to , except by ita being exercised by a court of conjoined law and equity , having jurisdiction over wills of roul and personal estate . " 8 . That it is tho bounden duty of tho Government of this country to provide such a court for tlio proper adjudication of all testamentary , matters , and of this society ( o promote- ita establishment by every moans in its power . "I ) That tho most desirable means of effecting tins appears ( o bo the union of tho present law and equity eommiaHions , und inviting their immediate , attention to this important question . " 10 . That the uhovo resolutions he taken , as tho basis of tho first report of this committee . " It will bo observed that the admirable speech of Mr . Solicitor-General IJothell bus anticipated much of this .
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THE TIMKS , LOUD PA 1 / MEUSTON , AND M . KOSSUTH . surziritK ov arms , &c . Thk Times of yesterday inside tho following statement , : — " Upon intelligence received by the Secretary of State for the Home Department , and tho Commissioners of Police for the metropolis , active measures him ; been taken to substantiate tho charges which luivo long been vaguely preferred against M . Kossuth und his adheinformation houso in tho
rents . Upon this legal n occupation of M . Kossuth was Hcurched yesterday morning ut tin early hour by tho competent authorities , acting , wo presume , under the Secretary of State ' s warrant , and the result of this investigation was tho discovery of a largo store of arms , , nininunition , and materials of war , which may be the stock in trade of a political incendiary , but certainly form no p . irt of the household goods oi" a private gent Ionian living in pacific retirement . Indeed there is reuson to belicvo that these preparations have boon going on upon a scajo ontiroly inconaiHtont with tho notion of any more pri-
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Artufc 16 , 1853 . ] THE LEADER . 36 S
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Leader (1850-1860), April 16, 1853, page 365, in the Nineteenth-Century Serials Edition (2008; 2018) ncse2.kdl.kcl.ac.uk/periodicals/l/issues/vm2-ncseproduct1982/page/5/
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