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punishment had been brought down to 48 lashes in the navy . According to returns presented to the House , the number of men flogged in- the army , in 1845 and the first six mouths > f 1846 , was 341 , who received S 8 , 50 O laekes , being an iveragefof 112 lashes to each man ; the number of men Jogged in the year 1852 was 45 , who received 1900 lashes ,, jeing an average of not quite 4 G lashes to each man . la ; hat same year there were 101 regiments in which not a , single stroke on the back of any man was inflicted . In the mvy , I-n 1842 , 2107 men were punished , * vho received 71 , 024 ashes ; in 1852 only 578 men were flogged , who received 17 , 500 lashes . Why did "the right hon . baronet refuse to give ; he return he asked for ? ' Did he mean 4 e-say that , after the
[ louse had placed in his bunds 13 , 000 , 000 / . to expend on tlie lavy , and that withont a single word of objection , they were lot entitled to the information that return would give ? If ihe statement made respecting tlie SUir was correct , great mismanagement must have taken place , and the House njght to ue informed of il . But the right hon . baronet at ast thought fit to remove Commander Warren from the Star . What did tlie crew say ? They said they were ready : o shed , their blood in the service of their Queen , but they ( hjected to have their blood slied by tlie cat-o' -nine tails by ihis Commander Warren , He was not surprised that the jovernment should hav « removed that man from his ship , " or many desertions had taken place in consequence of his areatmeDt of the crew .
Sir James Graham pooh-poolied the matter ; ; aking advantage of the Ministerialist !! which has set n among the Radicals . He denied the facts ; and asserted that where men had been flogged , it was because they had committed - serious offences . Tlie jueefckra as to whether flogging ought to tiontinue u \ ihe-retry-of this enlightened country he dealt with in 'his usual way— -as an open question . The matter lropped ; but the impression left was , that Mr . Williams had made out his case ; and there ought to be the farther inquiry : —Was Captain Warren removed from the " Stax' * for misconduct : and if so , is the removal to be his only punishment ?
HOUSE OF COMMONS PRINTING . GOVERNMENT DEFEAT . On Tuesday Mr . J . Greene called . attention to the enormous expense to the country- of the printing ihe papers , &c , jof th * House of Commons ; and he noved for a committee of inquiry as to what new nventions could be brought into usawith a view t © jconomy and general national benefit in the cheapening of literature . The Chancellor of the Exchequer spposed the motion on proper economical grounds . fhe Government , he said , were considering whether : he Parliamentary printing could not be done at a iess expense ; but with regard to testing
inventions , he considered that it was not the business of Parliament to go into such matters , which appertained entirely to considerations of private enterprise . Mr . Otway answered the Chancellor of the Exchequer : the House had appointed a committee to inquire ' into . " Small 'Arms '" matters ; and the politico-economical principle being thus outraged , why not in this case ? Mr . James Wilson answered Mr . Otway : the case instanced was exceptional . A . nd then followed a crowd of members enumerating lew inventions , and urging the Government to yield . Pile numbers were : for the motion , DC ; against , 32 : so that Mr . Gladstone received the intimation that ho is not strong in tlie IIouso .
THE ESTABLISHED CHURCH IN" IRELANJD . On Wednesday the " adjourned debate " On Wednesday the " adjourned debate "
— adiourned so long that every one had forgotten all ibout the matter—on the Church Temporalities ^ Ireland ) Bill was resumed , pro forma , by Mr . TmsritAM Kennedy , one of the independent Irish party , nerely for the purpose of enabling 1 Serjeant Siike , svhosc motion it was , to reply to the various criticisms oaudo upon him on the former occasion : — " It would bo recollected that when ho brought forward his motion his object wus lo transfer a portion of the surplus
mcorno of the Jriali church i-utablishinuntu to two now coinnisaionti—one I'lvabyteriuu and tho otlior Konian ( Jatholicm ordor Unit such portion of that surplus income might be amployed in building , rebuilding , repairing , and furnishing p laces of -worship ( or the bent'lil of tliu groat body of the lrish _ population , tho Fiv .-sbvU'riuns and tho ltommi Cnlhoics , in tho Hiiino wny ustliu lurgo sums which wore received ) y tho lSuck'HiaBtiail Coinini > sionors woro employed for the jenutit of thu minority—tlio members of the Established Qhurch . And ho lnul entered into munorous statistics to show , that as tho rovciMeu of tliu Kwtablisliod Churcli worn
low jipphod , th « y did » mt conduce to that end , which , nc-; ordiiif ; lo liiMhop Wiirlmrtun and l'tiloy , \ vnn tlio only one . tpon wUloh ii Ghurch KtttuldiHlniKMit would bojnsliliud by Ma extunaion and di .-Muiiiiuulimi of Oi . i irttitin " knowlisd RO unongit tlio great body of tlio people ; and had further niutud tliu nbiuioiiHof tliu most , eminent ntutosinon , including Lord Ijrouglmm , Mv . Macjiuluy , Lord Qi-uy , Lord Cumpbvll , Lord J . HwhsoII , and Sir U . Un-y , tluil thu lirofont btuto of ho Cliurch Ktitablihlimcnt in Iiolimd w . i . i liid . iensibk > , mid Uittt u wiih tlio duty of Purli . iiiHiU . to correct tlio illumes wluoli existed . Tho MtalciiH'iit . ho hud then inado cortnin Uonourulilu guiuUmiun diupmod , " Tlio quostion , ho contended , was only allowed to Bleep Imjqiimbo it did not suit the party tactics of oitlierof tho aristocratic : sections of tho governing ' class to ninko unpltnl out of it . After onterlng into various stiUiHtiof , ho concluded thus i—
IIo . hfforoi wuh Home of bin lionoural . lu friu . idH near him oath fiitlUlulIy . Ho did » u > t agreo with thorn that it would
be well for them that the ohurch establishment shoirid be put down . If it were put down they would have a prose * lytising army , instead of , as at present , & body of gentlemen 1 residing among them , who , though they did not administer to the spiritual wants of the people , did , when there wast distress , administer to their bodily wants without distinction / of creed . His belief was that they ought , as far as tbey could consistently with the freedom of their church , to connect themselves by acts of parliament passed for their benefit with the Government under which they lived . For
this reason lie regretted very much what had been said as to giving up the endowment of Maynooth . He believed there would be no good government , no security for any liberal administration , no possibility of carrying on a consistent scheme of liberal education till the Government acted consistently and satisfactorih / von this great question of the Irish church . It was to promote tliis object , it was for the purpose of getting rid of all dissension and animosity in Irelaud , and of producing as far as possible , consistently with the maintenance of an Established Church , religious equality in Ireland , that he proposed this bill . " ( Cheers . )
Some conversation took place , the House hesitating to go into the matter , but ' ; Mr . Frewen , as an English member , ventured to . suggest an opinion that Protestantism -would get on r better in Ireland if—there were more churches and ; more clergy ! Mr . Cooan would vote for the motion ( for leave 1 : to introduce a bill ) , hut doubted if he could entirely * approve of at . It was too great a question to be treated arithmetically , as Serjeant Shee proposed ; - but at the same time he would not like to force on . a controversy which might bring Lord Derby syid - his faction back to power .
Mr . Nkwdegate then attempted to introduce the appropriate bad spirit of the debate . Lord Derby , lie assured Mr . Cogan , Jmd governed Ireland with success ! The relative numbers of Protestants . and Catholics in Ireland had now greatly changed ; and ho thought they were now pretty equally divided in that country . He CMr . Newdegate ) -would therefore put it to the House whether this -vas a time for the learned serjeant to come forward and propose the suppression of nearly 400 benefices ? Serjeant Silee—Not suppression , consolidation .
Mr . Newdegate—That was a nice phrase , certainly . ( Laughter . ') But the learned serjeant , at all events , proposed to diminish by " consolidation ^ the Irish benefices to the number of 395 . And he would again ask whether this -were a time to weaken the Established Church when so many hundreds and thousands of Roman Catholics were daily joining it ! Mr . BowtlER supported the motion , " and would like to see ihe bill : — " At tho same time he objected to its principle , because he could _ not understand how any Roman Catholic member could bring in a measure respecting the Irish Church which had not fur its object the getting rid entirely of that abuse and standing nuisance in the country . Ho would not go into the question of the oatli , because that was a subject which ' savoured somewhat of casuistry , and was rather a matter for individual conscience . At the same time lie could not conceive that tlie oath could over have been
intended to fetter the mornings of the House in their legislative capacity , becauso that would be entirely unconstitutional . He was far , however , from coveticig the wealth of tho Establishment either in Kngland or in . Ireland . The Roman Catholic Church was in a far wholesomer condition than would be the case if it was possessed of state patronage ; and her bishops with incomes of 400 / . or 50 OJ . a year were as learner ) , as active , and us saintly as any bishops in the world . The hon . and le « rne < l serjeant said ho wished to improve the character and position of tho Established Ohurch by hiking away what appeared to him to boa blot ; but ho ( Mr . Uowyer ) thought that the Protestants wore the best judges of tliut themselves . Ho did not wish to intori ' cro with their afl ' airs , just as lio had wished the Protestants not to intorfcre with * tho monastic institutions . H « felt certain that tlio people of Ireland would nover bo satisfied with tho bill as a settlement of tho Church question . Mr . Bimdy contended that Ireland wits more
intensely a Cfitholic country thrtii she had ever been , Hero tlie thin House wearied of -a maUapropos and mismanaged discussion ; and , on a division , there wore only 31 for the motion—U 7 against ; .
nruuisitY bill . The Committee discussion of tho many clauses of this bill was continued on Monday in the House of Commons . The analytical debate was extremely interesting—to party agents ; would bo incomprehensible to the world at largo . . The wl j olo of Thursday , from 12 o ' clock noon to 3 o ' clock in tho morning ( yesterday morning ) was occupied in fretting through tho Committee , Upon a clatiso proposed by Lord li . GnosvBNOn , a prolonged debate ensued touching the logulity or expediency of permitting candidates to pay for the conveyance of voters to the polling places , or to issue refroshmont tickets . The clause strictly prohibited all paymenth upon c . ither account , and - \ ms curried to a division , but rejected by a majority of 190 to 80
—104 . Mr . Htanhojmo moved tlio insertion of a clause legalising tlie iwauo of refreshment tickets , not exceeding thu value of ' 2 a . o « ich , to the voters ut elections . Upon division thin clause was also rejected by 142 votes to 12 G—10 . Tho bill was to bo reported last night , and will bo in tho . Lords on Tuesday .
REFORMATORY SCHOOLS ( SCOT LAND ) BIIX . A religious discussion also took , place upon this bill—the Irish Catholic members objecting to it , because practically , by being connected with religious tests , Bible reading , &c , it would exclude the destitute Konian Catholic children of Scotland . * J 4 ie opposition was led by Mr . Mag Ulan . Mr . M'Mahon objected to giving , by this bill , summary power . 8 to magistrates to send infant offenders to reformatory schools : Mr . Lucas supporting the objection , on the ground that the effect of the clause would be to ipipi ^ s on Konian Catholic children , not in g ^ tols , but in
Protestant schools . The Lobd Advocate treated this religious apprehension with derision . He areminded the committee that this bill was to benefit those poor neglected children who really * -had no religion at all in them . He did not desire to make this bill a proselytising measure ; but he denied that those parents who neglected entirely their children , and left them to the mercy of the world , had any right to dictate what their religion should be . . At the same time , when a child expressed a wish to go to any particular school , there he would be sent . Surely honourable gentlemen could not ask mpre than this .
Mr . M . JfiLXEs thought it a deplorable thing th # t upon an occasion when hon . members should join in philanthropic rivalry to pass this t > Hl , so much jealousy and rivalry should be exhibited . He could hardly conceive that at this time , vhen religion and morality were so closely associated , hon . « iem . bers should contend that it was better that these poor children should remain -steeped in immorality than , that they should be liable to havi « g theirreligipais views altered . The discussion went on until Mr . T . Scully took it up , and as he , of coarse , could not stop , having once started , the Speaker had to arrest the debate altogether when the fingers of the clock pointed to the hour ( six o ' clock J at which the day ' s sitting concluded .
The Bill for pktivsnttng Revenue-collectors faying tjiemselves . —The " Public Revenue and Consolidated Fund Ciiarges Bill" ( which , in future , would have required tie whole revenue to be paid , -without drawbacks for collection , into the Treasury ) was brought for a second reading before the Lords on Monday , and met with unexpected opposition . Lord Monteagle , who has great sympathy for jobs , made exceptional objections to . the bill , such as that it subjected some " fixed pensions" to the " annual control " of tlie House of Commons , moved , as an amendment , that the bill be referred to a select committee ; and being backed by Lord Brougham ( who said this bill would give tho Commons more work , and ¦ would therefore prolong sessionswhich s ~ 6 erns to be a great evil for a country with
representative institutions ) , and by Lord Derby , who evidently did not understand the bill , but was seemingly glad to vex the Government , Lord Granville , who had charge of the measure , gave way ; and the bill stands referred to a select committee of Lords—that is , it is lost . Hospital Ship for Cokk Harbour . —The is no hospital ship f ' ov the great port of Ireland ; this was Mr . M'A g uiris ' s complaint to the House of Commons on Monday ; instancing the propriety of his demand by a reference to lio caso ^ of tho ship Dingo , which , with cholera on board , put intp Cork the other day , and had to go on to Liverpool , in qxieBt of hospital accommodation ; seventeen new victims * falling meanwhile . Tho Governmentthrough Sir J .
, Young , a squire with no sympathies ' for emigrants , treated the matter lightly , so enr aging the Irish members who arc not in Sir J . Young's pay . that Sir George Grey lmd almost to apologise , and Lord John had to niako a quasi promiKti ( which Sic J . Younfr would not make ) that the mutter should be lt looked into . " This was all Mr . ^ Laguire could get ; and this was regarded by Sir J . Young us loo great a concession to nn independent member . HAiwrsTEAD Hkatii . —The Finehley Road Estate Bill hits got into tho Commons from the Lords ; and the people's representatives will now have to tiiko cure tluvt a popular enjoyment be not distnrbod by an encroaching squire .
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OUR PRIVATE PARLIAMENT .
The editor of the Morning Chronicle does not understand the peculiarities of our constitution ; on Monday last ho was innocent enough to despatch n reporter , "in the regular course of business , " to take notes of a " meeting ' " he had heard of—it being tho meeting of " Parliamentary supporters , " nt Lord John Russell ' s house ( where followers nppour to be allowed ) , in Downing-strect . The reporter ( it i « rumoured that Lord . lolin told him that ho -would put it to tho meeting wliethor " Strangers" were to bo allowed in—and did ' ntt ) was , of course , not ml . mittcd . But tho reporter know various available M . i / . ' s , with good memories , i \ nd , as if to puuinh Lord John , appears to liuvo got a wry good report of what passed . Hero it is : —something piquant in political history .
Thoro wero 180 " mipportcrs : " « n < l ( he following members of the Govern merit woro prosonti—Lord John Kuasoll , Sir < . ) . Uruy , Sir Jiunos Orriham , Mr . Sidney Herbert , tlie Chunetllor of tho Exchequer , Xord I ' almerston , Bir W . Moleswortli , Mr . 'Cardwcll , Bir . John Youiigr , Mr . Jamos Wilson , Mr . F . Pool , Mr . K . Lowo , tlm tSolicitor-Ueueml , the Lorxl Advocate , Lord Klc . lio , Mr . llaytcr , Lord Mulgravo , ' Mr . Oionville Herkckty , Mr . Fortoscuo , Mr . W . XCowpor , Lord 10 . Uruce , Mr . Moneoll . Lord J . UtiBBUJLi * begun by observing " that ho had
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tarLY' 22 , 1854 . ] THE LEADER . 675
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Leader (1850-1860), July 22, 1854, page 675, in the Nineteenth-Century Serials Edition (2008; 2018) ncse2.kdl.kcl.ac.uk/periodicals/l/issues/vm2-ncseproduct2048/page/3/
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