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B ^ ffirttter- frcnri his intention- than - interfere - with parental * authority or ~ the rights of' " conscience , - or- to compel any particular religious teachings indeedY if his proposition .-cottld ^ only ^ 'thns'tta . carried ^ into effect , he sboaLd ± b « 4 ti « - £ fcat man t » aa . yitha addces&ougihV not to gt itttU He didtnotrobject to-Btr / JV > pteaeue ' s « resolution- ; bBrwmildoevent adopt it , since iteTW # > pu * . fo » wa * d > ( not-as rneindiag' the * adttvess ( to which .. ho-woald not consent ) , ba £ bB * ai revision' of ifcy-which '¦ would"remoyeJanyidbuWjas t 0 rit » 4 n < : ention ; This Houses and * th * Ministry -were not tskerr try- sn-rprtsei on * the evening . otf the > preceding Tuesday ; and he could not therefore agree that-his > proceediags had -beer * otherwise- tha » straightforward * :
Mku X / ABocre ^ EBH- readily acquitted . Mn " Walpole of having ? acted unfairly , and : attributed the untoward result ~ . t » fiuperior ¦ attractions elsewhere . Still ,, he be-Bered- thatthfrc ^ feet of the- address wonid . have been to subvert the National syetemof education in-Ireland ; but hft-waas © pleased with Mr , WalpoleV determination to adopfc-. the . motion , that-he would , not- criticize his- weak reasons ^ for coining to that , decision-. Religious disoesd . in , Ireland ? is passing away ; but it would , be revived by the . address . If' there-was no precedent for DeadadiagT ; that addr-ess , one-should be made . He- called upon < Mr—Walpole and his colleagues- to define distinctly the nature of their-creed as regards Irish education ^—Mr . Cairns approved . of the address ; but thought that , as Government regarded it unfavourably , it was-the otitv , of 'Ministers to propose at once to rescind it . Their
OOnduat ,. as U ; was ,. was- " uncertain , " and the resolution proposed by Mr . Fortescue was susceptible of various constructions . For himself , he was- no enemy to the National system of education in Ireland ; . he thought it had been- ^ productive of greater good to Ireland than any other system ; but it might be improved . It was notor ibas . that . the system had failed ; that the children of Protestants and Roman Catholics are not educated within the same walls * The paramount objects of the National Board ' would ibe accomplished by the modifications proposed" in the address . The present system had . been described ' as unchanged-and unchangeable ; but in some 6 f the . convent-schools the rules are disregarded . The scholars in . those schools are bound to attend morning and ' evening prayer , and ,, in some of them , the children , in the intervals of lace-making , learn the catechism of the Roman Catholic Church .
Lord * John Russell adverted to the inconvenience which results from the rule of the House that addresses to-the Crown are to be carried by single divisions . So fSr from disapproving of the course now taken , he only wished that the resolution proposed by Mr . Fortescue had been more directly a reversal of the vote of the previous ^ Tuesday evening . Mr . WalpoleT by " a . kind of ingenious Chancery pleading , " made the present resolution consistent- with that vote- He could not help thinking that a desire for supremacy was at the bottom of the address ; but , as long as the present Government remained in power , the existing system of Irish education must bo continued . " It appears to me , " said ¦ Lord John , " that , the rule being equality , Mr .
' Walpple proposes to introduce inequality ; that , the rule ¦ being , ' religious liberty , lie proposes to introduce religious exclusion ; that , the present state of things being harmony , his address menaces us with discord . " ( Cheers ) y&i . Walpola and his coadjutors called themselves friends pf the Irish National system of education : they were certainly very candid friends , for they proceeded to point out ; phe fault after another . Their plan , he repeated , would -destroy tho equality that . now prevails . " But it may be said that that equality might be restored by allowing Roman Catholics , in the schools in which they have aprevailing influence , to teach their church catechism , to all tho children attending their ochools . Would the House consont to a grant for such a purpose ? What would bo the feeling of tho House—what would bo the
feeling of tho country—if they were told that lo () , 000 £ or 200 , 0002 . were given to schools iu which tho Roman Catholic religion was taught , and tliat Protestant cliiljjlren were obliged to remain to hoar it ? ( Hear , hear . ) Why , tho cry would be that thoy were endeavouring to make proselytes ; and it would bo said besides , if tho Protestant children were all away , that it was an enormous sum granted for the propagation of error . If our consciences would not allow us to yrant 30 , 000 / . a year Jf or tho education of priests at Muynooth , how wan it possible that we could grant 200 , 000 / . ft year to educate Children in Roman Catholic tenets ? ( Cheers . } Mr . Walpolo , however , said , ' Wo will remedy all that ; wo will adopt something like the system that in established Catholic childre
1 Q England , and if there are Roman n , ihdy may go to Roman Catholii ; schools in tho neighjBourhood . ' Why , that in at once a subversion of the old . ftyBtcm ; it is at onco putting nn end to that mixed hVttfcm of odueation—not mixed with regard to religion , But mixed with regard to persono— which at present eoiiutB . You go there , and , instead of giving these ! <) hHtir < 5 n an impartial rule , you give them a topograjflH fcar ¦ doriaolution . " ( Cheers and law / liter . ) The pro-Jfo ' saJ ' to road tho Bible at tho ordinary . school houra , When ' . all tho children would bo obliged to attend , wan a ttolpabloviolation of religions liberty and freedom of confluence . The , PrCftbytorinnn of Ireland were in favour ol < &fr > proacrat . &rra » KQinunt-, UIul no could not ngreo that tho Presbyterians- * were not us good Proto . stant . s an any that arc to be found in the country . No doubt , as Mr .
Cairns observed , modifications had" been introduced into the system ; but none affecting ifs vital priociplga ^ Ai great advance had been made towards extinguishing those habits of social warfare and * vi 61 ence-whlch ! have been so long the misfortune of Ireland ; and now , " w-hen , by . half a century of labour , , y , oa have attained so far , there comes , a gentleman to , this House ,, who sajrs , ' I will break in upon all " this ( ctieers ) ; I will ' put an . endto this . unanimity ; I ' will' make "Catholics jealous of "Protestants , and Protestants jealous of Catholics . I will induce Protestants again to join and' deface that
fair work which has been effected / ( CJleers . ^ I have mxddubt of the sincerity of the right hon . gentleman .. I have no doubt that he thinks he is satisfying the conscientious scruples of Church of "England and other Protestants ,, and that he is only adding a supplement to the scheme of National education . I . entreat him to dismiss that thought from - his - mind ; but I trust that , if the existing , plan is to be altered , he and , his supporters may be the parties to carry that alteration , into effect ,. let them reap the bitter fruits that will ensue . " ( JLoud clieers . )
Mr . Napier spoke in favour , of the address . —Mir Hoksjian observed that , if the views-of Mr . Walpole were carried out , there would be three thousand Maynooths to deal with annually , instead of one , since it would be necessary to give grants- to Roman Catholic schools and colleges , as well as to the Protestant . He rejoiced to see that Mr . Spooner was startled by this : ( Cheers . ) It was evident-that the hon . member was but little aware of the logical results of the system which he
cheered so lustily a few nights since . Mr . Patbick O'Brien having spoken against the address , . Mr , Grog a it moved to add at the end of the resolution the following , words : — " But that , consistently with these principles , the House is of opinion that no school should be disentitled to receive aid from the funds of the board because the rules of such school require that a portion of the Scriptures should be read each day by each child , as part of the general instruction of ' the school . " - —Mr . G . A . Hamilton supported this
amendment . An attempt was here made by Lord ' Berneks to adjourn the debate ; but it was defeated by 331 to 50-Mr . Vance then moved that the House do adjourn , — This motion was supported by Mr . Newdegate , Mr . Grogan , and Mr . George , who complained that the Government had not declared their intentions if ^ the resolution shouldbe agreed to . —Lord Palmerston explained that the Government would regard the resolution , as affirming that no change should be made in the existing system . —Mr . Disraeli said he considered that the resolution , for vhich he should vote , bound , him to maintain the fundamental principles of the national plan of education , but that it did not fetter his discretion as to any > modification of the details . —Mr . Isaac Butt spoke in favour of adjournment . Many members had ! left ; . and a decision , if then takon , would not represent the feeling of the House .
The House again divided , and rejected the motion , for adjournment by 328 votes to 39 . —A third division , was immediately' afterwards taken on Mr . Gkooan ' s amendment , when there appeared , For . tho amendment ...- ..-.. — ¦ 9 & Against it ... 282 ^ -187 The original resolution was then put ,- and'carrtcd '* witfc ~ otrt opposition . The other orders of the day were next disposed- of ,, and the House adjourned-at two o ' clock ; - Tuesday , June 2 ± th . In the House of Lords , the Joint Stock . Companies Bill , and the Factories Bill , passed through committee .
. Mr . Drusiaiond , in a more than : usually wHd ami eccentric speech , opposed the bill . After observingptfeai , instead of the church being an enormous , gainer by temporal support , it is au incalculable loser r . aad that it is only the state that gains , he thanked Mr . Spooner-for bringing the motion ,, forward ,. as he thought , it watLa question that should be considered " at least , onca . a year ; " but he could not agree with the hoa . gentleman in his strictures on the Church of Rome ,, boeausa , it seemed to him that , of all the . sects we . tolerate , in this country , the Romish sect is the only one . which contains the whole truth ; ,, and because it was . his firm conviction that Protestao ts bring forward the abuses of Roman . Catholicism only to parry an . attack made on a vital : part
of every church . Mr . Spooner and the . whole party ,. to which he belonged were " doing their best to decry ; the order of . the priesthood . " Mr . Drummopd . than pro < - ceeded to do Ms best to decry the order of the-priesthood' ; for though asserting that , if Mr . Spooner looked for ' religion except from a priesthood and sacraments , ho-mould " look in vain for God upon earth , " ha . proceeded . to- exr pound that " the priesthood in aliageahave . heen , at , £ he foundation of tyranny , "" that " the dominion of . the priesthood is a . usurpation of the camnHm-rightaof . mattkind , " and that " wherever they haye .. dominated » thay have degraded mankind . "' At the present . moment ,,, the Roman Catholic priesta , said Mr .. Drummondr . are carrying on the most outrageous , instancesof cruelty and , patv
! Ate ^ l V } - noes ,, 28 . —The billwas thten read-La ttuwl jiiae ^ and" passed ^ ' Tfie SAMOsxur LoonBitx * was also reada thirdTinu ? , ' and passed . " ' ' ' Ttte House reassembled . at . sixo ' clock . but was almost Immediately counted out .
. Wednesday , June Z 5 i& ~ - , j . BTA ^ NO-O-TH . ( TO I . Z . E&Bm . In . the House of Commons ,, Mr . SrooKaB ^ rafvefjNfce ^ seeond reading , of the Maynooth CoHege-BiUy tb « toit ^ Qt of which iato-repeal the act . 8 ta nni tth Yintoriti ^ jaionr ^ oratUig-tha . trustees , and to-enact that , withcertain «^» ceptions ^ the grant- to the college from , the . consolidated fund- should cease . — The . bill .- was supported byy SKr William Vebner and Mr . James MAeoREOOR * —Mr . . Henry , Hbbbsbt , without . making- ao -y ^ observat ions , movedto defer : the second , reading ; forsijc mouths ..
, Mr . Maotjxrk . opposed the measure , and denouneed . tirc higotryof Mr . Spooner- and his - adherents .. The- pions . and resigned- deaths of Irish , soldiers in thchospttal * at Seutari shoiv « d-the vaiae of the < Reman / - Gaiholio-, religion . Were such . men . to be stigmatized-as idol « tere , and their religion to be slandered iu- too foul •/ mannar they had heard ? No time could b& wesse than / th « -pjre sent for making the proposed change . Where- weaid they have been iu the- late was but for ' Catholic Eesnce , and Catholic Sardinia , and-. " the-wild chivalry-of Gdnnemara , and Tipperary , and Kilkenny ? " With respect
to images , the ideas-of Luther-were equivalent to those of Roman Catholicsi It was- ' , the . ' English , the Welsh , and the Scotch ,, who- ¦ went to- the , Mormon- settlements ; never the Irish . It was impossible . to- change- thef rrti-¦ gpon o £ Ireland ; all that could : be done-wa * -1 & keept a -white handkerchief round , the throat o ^ some puritanioal humbug , , who laughed . at the dyspeptic , old maids ; who subscribed their money for his support ., ( Laughter . ') - They might overturn Mayneota ,, but . the-people- would still , retain in their hearts , the undying-spirit of the . € Eathoh' c religion .
secutiou throughout . Europe > and notably at Nap . hu . Being met with cries of "No , no ! " Mr . Drummond advised the objectors to " there "—a recommendation which was received with great , laughter . The Jesuit * , he continued , arc tho common nuisances of mankind : they are in one organized mass of rebellion against the Word of God . But he held that Ministers wouldirat .. be fit for their plfccea if they wore determined , to legislate for Great Britain and Ireland upon . sectarian , prinoiplw * They must , reunember that they are ruling a . mixed people . Honest men are ua much bound to- respect , the ' ^ rcjp dices of one sect as of another ; and we ought- to keep our promise to tho Irish ucoplo even to our- own injury . But Mr . Spooner and hia party-w « ro tryiof t-to make " tho poox wretched children" of the Irishi oolioolfi with the
The Police ( Counties and Boroughs . ) . BiLL . waaroported , witli tho amendments , and- ordered to stand . for o tliird reading ; and tho Slkepino Statuses IYtll waa read u second time on thamotion of Earl Fobtesijuje , OAXII OV AnjURATION- AMENUJTOCWT BILI * Tho second reading of this bill waa moved by tha . Kavl of Dubb y , -who explained that its object w «« to remove that part of tho oath of allegiance which abjures the rretender , mid which is now perfectly obsolete , as the Pretender ' s legitimate descendants are extinct . The words " on tlio true faith of a Chriatiau" are to be retained . —Lord CAMi'msLL obncrved that tho oath nB it
their cat ' s paw to carry on tho war - Roman Catliollc priests . Teaching the children to read' the Bible , without any comments or explanations , w * a . not teaching religion -, indeed , if tluiro . was a book . tkaX ought to be kept out of the school * , it wi * tho lHble . ( Hear , hear . ) Tom Thumb , or Jack , thu Giant-Kilter , would do jual as well , ( t ireact laughterJ ) The proper way to fight tho Roman Cutholic . priest * ,, would b » . to double tho grant to Maynooth , and make it a real and cflcctual scbool . Alluding to Mr . Mnguire ' a ob «* ervaitiona about Luther , Mr . Druuiinond . retorted : — '' It ia ueelcaa to tauiiL ProteatautH with J ^ utiier having . don « -or eaid thiu or tlie other ; nobody in . bound to boliove- iu Luthor . But Cutholiea are bound to . receive tlJSa ^ ootrines of Liguori , becauao tli « Chiuxh , h «»» -saiA tliafchc never wroto a . word tluU . ia not entitled . ta the . gw « tD « l
now ntnnds is a disgrace to the utatute-book . 'ihe judges have to take it ; and recently iu administering it . to Mr . Justico Willes , ho had to remonstrate with tho new jndgo for becoming dumb when ho came to that part relaUng to tho Pretender . Ilia learned brother said he had abjured tho Pretender and his family in hia heart , and therefore objected to repeat the words ; but ho woo obliged to do ho , as tho ceremony would otherwise have been incomplete . —The Marquis of Claniucarde thought that tho bill would place that House in . a very painful antagonism ivith tho other House , and , unless it wore materially altered in committee , ho Hhould , at fiorao future Htiigo , move Ua rejection . —After Homo further brief discussion , tho bill vrnn read a second timo .
rospcot . ' ' x _ . Mr- Nkwoeoatk , ia supporting tho bill , /» oeuaoU , iMir . , Druromoud of inconHintonuy , and « ud tbut h « QMr NuwdegAto ) would notipnt »^ hilUng iiito-lli « . lM « nid ^ 4 f 7 n priesthood unpointed by Homo , aitliough ho was rMrty to vote luoiiuy to tho Roman Cathwlu * l «» ty for thail »*« K ' iioHos ofeducution .-Mr . Bi ^ nd , SikJohm I ' akimotow ,
Tlio HouHH ok Commonh met at noon , wlicu tho third reading of tho Nawaii ok Surat Tkwaty Bii-l wan moved by Sir Fitzroy Kislly . — Tho motion waa oppoHed by . Sir . 1 . W . IIooo , and , after considerable diar ciiBMion , curriod to a division , on which there appeared—
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Leader (1850-1860), June 28, 1856, page 603, in the Nineteenth-Century Serials Edition (2008; 2018) ncse2.kdl.kcl.ac.uk/periodicals/l/issues/vm2-ncseproduct2147/page/3/
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