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ttfrongb th ! e : arrny ?; whieh -would' be ^ muoh ? - more eeon < o » mical than tfie' -JKHtiav W'hftt would be < tn " epcondition of things if the whole of'the Militia-were ^ to Ite'called oat-it would'be d-iffleuUVto say ; for it -.. ' was- known- that many met * had enrolled themselves in several- regiments at different times , and , if the whole of the MHitia'wiaa called out , there-would * bfr at leas-S forty per cent , of the men missing- from- tbe- ' diflierenk regiments . "— -The IXuke- of" Newca « T £ , k urged' that- Uord- Hfnrdinge should " . lay-the- instructions to the commission' on- th « table as soon as they were issued ; He ; also arged the necessity'for adopting son-ie- regular system 1 to provide the necessary barrack aecoimrrotlatioft . —VlseoiHit MklvrttE -declared' that -there- was scarcely a barrack- in Scotland that was fit for tl *< s aeco-mrttodution oftroe-psr— - The subject then dropped . The- Chanoeuy ¦ Asienpment" Brpi , was read-. a third time ^ and : passed . SIR JAME 8 ' BROOICE . A' notice w < is-oh the papnr from the'Earl ' ofKrsTQSTONj announcing' liis-intention to- ask the Urst' Lord of- the Treasury whether Rajah Brooke has ' ¦ recently , made- any application- toller' MAjesty ^ - Groveennmit for compensation- for losses 'alleged 11 to have been incurred in-the public- service in . ' Borneo ; and whether -itis * h& intention of the Government to entertain-any suelv applica * tion . The Earl accordingly rose , and twice endeavoured to pat his questions * hut b = * thtimes-was interrupted by the-Earl'of Malmesbury * , wfto rosfr to order , and finally , to ¦ put an : end to the subject s moved the adjournment 1 of the House ; which -was ' agreed to , arrd ' the sitting termiminated at a quarter-past eight ; tllOH" PRICE OF MEAT . ' In the House' of Commojis , - Sir De Lacy Evasts presented a petition from inhabitants of / the metropolis , complaining of . ' the high price of- meat , and-praying the House to take measures to provide a remedy . MILITARY CHAPLAINS . Mr . Hume asked the Seci'eUr } ' for War if the Government , contemplated the appointment of Presbyterian military chaplains in the chief garrison towns of the United Kingdom .- —General Peel said that it was the inten tidnpf the Government to appoint additional Presbyterian : and Roman Catliolie assistant chaplains , in order to place Presbyterian and Roman Catholic soldiers upon the same footing in regard to tlie number of chaplains as their Protestant brethren . AH chaplains would also in future be placed upon the same footing in regard to pay . He would take that opportunity of replying to questions put to him on a former occasion by the member for Salisbury , as to the supply of water at the Chatham barracks , and the overcrowding of the barracks . He had received a communication from the commandant , to the eflect that there was generally ; an abundant supply of water . On the previous Wednesday , the supply was short , owing to the machinery getting out of order ; but this inconvenience had since been remedied , and there was now plenty of water for everything . In regard to the overcrowding of barracks , the commandant stated that the garrison is now very strong , but that accommodation is ab \ uxlant , and the troops are healthy . THE AUSTRALIAN" MAIL SERVICE . In answer , to questions by Mr . Hknry BuRicHLfiY and Mr . Divett , Mr . Hamilton said that the Treasury had bean in communication some time ago with the European and Australian Steam Packet Company , in consequence of a strong . representation made by a deputation from the colonies . The object of the communications was to promote- an amalgamation with the Royal Mail Compauyj and an extension of the term of contract . When the . amalgamation project was broken . ofFy the . directors of the European and . Australian Company entered into further communication with the Treasury , with a view to the attainment , to some extent , of the object set forth in the treaty , and also to oxtend the service-in . many respects . Having , however , seen the resolutions adopted by the shareholders for the winding up and dissolution of the company , he felt It his- duty to suspend any further negotiations on tho subject . Her Majesty ' s Government had to proceed with caution ; but stc |> s had been taken . to prevent any interruption of' tho mail service . INDIA . Replying to Sir Erskinu Pkruy , Lord Stanley read an extract from a privuto letter oM . ord Cunning , and auothor from , a private letter o £ Mr . Montgomery , enclosed in tho former , giving a favourable account of the pacification of Oude . THE flOVEUNM-ENT OV INDIA . The Committee on tho resolutions respecting the Government of India was then , resumed , when Lord Stanley proposed the fifth . ' rosolutioit— " That , witli a view to tho euleiency and independence of tho Council , it iH expedient tlint it should be partlj- nominated and partly elected . " Thoro wore three modes of nomination . I'Mrstly , thoro was nomination for good behaviour—practically , for life ; but to this plan there was the strong objection that a certain proportion of the Council would nlways bo incapable , through tho intlrmitics of age , of performing their duties in a satisfactory manner . A second mod © - whs nomination , for a long term , without renomination ; but this would ho inexpedient in practice , from * the manner in -which it would operate on pewonsr of diffebtnt ages , and thoro would not bo tho eame guarantee- > for indopondenco as by , nomination for
lire . A-- third principle ' was- nomination for'a- sh ' ort term , wit&a .-power to- renominate : butt 'to this if might fairly be- objected 5 th ' at the- members would' th'nu-be placed ^ in ¦ a position- of too great dependence' on' th'e Minister of- ' the day : The first of thtese-methods he ( Lord Stanley- ) thoifghf presented the fewest' ineouve * nrencea- ; ¦ bo't'the" question arose -whether / it would-not be better- to eUet a portion- of the Courier * : The" corrstituemyjto-be'pixjposedina subsequent ' resolution ^ would consist of proprietors of East' India- ¦ Stock- ; Holders of Tfrdianrail ' way shares ^ a nd refcired- 'oflieers in-thfr various branches of 1 ' Indian service ,- forming- an- aggregate number of between-. 7000 and 8000 , embodying a large amoimt of persons' interested" in Indian affairs ^ who would combine witir a knowledge of ; Indian- adrrri rtistratioivfrte&om from political bias ; '
Lord ' John-RtrssECL moved , by w < iy of-amerrdmeiit , that 1 the 1 members'of /! the' Council be- appointed 1 by her Majesty ; In thai ; case , the Minister - of the- day would be- responsible for any unfit- appointment . With- the exception oP'retired-Irrdian servants ,- the proposed constituents woitld feel- na * special interest in the welfare of India-. —Sir James Graham was opposed to-any change in the-government of-India at the-present moment . * StiHj effect'must- ' be- given to the decision . oft the-House . Contrary to the wishes of Rfr . Bright ,- lie ( Sir James ) wish ' . 'd to reduce , the change to a minimum ; and to make the Council'as ; like the Court' of Directors as-possible . He would build on ; the old foundation ; and he was disposed to think-tliat'th ' e membera for the Council should
be-nomirrated in tlie bill ; that tbey should hold office during good behaviour ; and that a large portion of the present ; Court "of Directors should-be awrong the persons nominated . The principle of nomination might be combined with the principle of election ; . and accordingly he was prepared to vote for the resolution before the House , but not for the seventh , which . established a peculiar constituency for the elected members . By the suggestions he had thrown out , he believed a . safe mode would be afforded of introducing still further changes in time , without the danger of incurring , a violent shock . —Sir G . C . Lewis reiterated his opinion that the present form of government of India is cumbrous and inefficient ; that it is desh-oiis at once to remodel it ; and that it is of
essential importance that the President of theUoard of Control should have the advantage of a consultative council . However , they ought not to ¦ rely on a fluctuating constituency , such as Indian stock-holders , for the election of any portion of the Council . The stock is liable to be extinguished at any time . —Sir EksicinhPeruy" thought that the power and intelligence of the Court of Directors had been praised to a most fulsome extent . When had they ever resisted the will of Ministers ? But , with all their faults , they were a : better body than would be got together under the proposed system . —Mr . Sidney Behbicut believed that by tlie- proposed system they would have all the evils of election without any of tlie good . of representation . —Mr . WiLi-ouGiniY did not think that the
attacks made on the East India Company were justified by facts . He was glad to lind . that there was to be no change with regard to tho administration of the revenue of India . The elective principle is surrounded by difficulties ; but it possesses many advantages . —Mr . Lii > - eeli-, asked for some explanation from the Government as to how the local Governments in India were to be appointed . —Lord Goderich said that it seemed not to bo the intention of the-Government to give the Council any power or control over tho Minister for India . Care , however , should be taken to secuve the perfect responsibility of the Minister . He could not support the resolution proposed by Lord Stanley , but should give his vote , in case of a division , in favour of the amendment . of Lord John
Busscll . —Mr . II . Bailliis defended the resolution . Mr . "Vkuncxn Smith observed that there was no good reason for supposing , that a Council nominated by the Crown would necessarily be subservient . Since 1853 , the Court of Directors had been partly nominated ; but no one had ventured to say that the gentlemen so appointed arc wanting in independence . On . the . other hand , it had been shown that many persons of great eminence and knowledge of Indian affairs had declined to submit to the humiliation of canvassiwg . for eloction to tho Court of Director ^ .. —Mr . Cummino , Bkuoiq thought it necessary that tliere should bo some check upon the
Minister for India , and suggested thati the 1 object would be best secured by the appointment of a Council selected from the present Court of Directors . —Colonel Sticks remarked that the Council . as . proposed to bo constituted would operate us a checkion disbursements for Indian purposes ; bat he asked whether control was to bo cxerciecd over such attempts as had boon made in days gone by to plunder the trensurie-H of Oudo and SaUarn , against , which tlie late Mi * . Humo so often raised his yoici 1 . The question now was , how was tho committee to bo' constituted ? Was it to bo wholly nominated by the Crown ? Orwns it to bo partly so nominated and partly elected ?
Lord Stanley admitted that tho constituency proposed , or nny other , would not bo froo from objection ; but ho had suggested that , in the event of tho I 16 uso deciding that the Council should bo partly elective , and not wholly nominated by the Crown , a certain constituency for election , which would secure independence in the Council , was available . Hut tho mode was one of detail , tlio principle ) being tho security of the independence of the Council . Tho Government would not
object'to any'modefwhicfa' the HbHse- * m % ht * tlrrrte-: righi to-adopt to seetrre tike- end ; placing seroer-checif oir-th < uncontrolled nomination of 1 the * Grown ; That-was * . aH that ' was laid'ddwnrin the re 3 olation . ' Lord' Paxmerstojt dissented from' the- views- which had- beeniexpressed ' by ¦ Sir James Graham ; and ^ lwugiri tha tj if the ' elective * principle be- good , itf otrgMt' to ^ bfe general ; so that' thfrvvrJ «> le of-the Cowmsil sftouiUl- t / e elected . Miv Gt a ivstone ^ observed' that it was- evident' tUst £ in' the-opinion of . the ' Gommittee , there were many strong- objections to both extreme principles ^—election by a constituency on one hand , and pure nonrirration-on the other . With regard to the--first , it had not been broughtbefbretheCoimnittee in a definite-formv but , as to ¦ noHiination by ^ tlie Orown , the objections to it' " \ rete of sifdia character tliot' they would feel theiit irorft-and
more strongly a 3- ' thej' proceede-tU He felt tttectraat } - tirtional objection- ; biit this was secondary to thervetm- * - sideration of how- to-a-eeoncilenomination of ' the Crown with the independence of : the- Council . It would- be impossible to have- an- independent Council free' dfiftnr suspicion , if'the- principle of ; nominiation for" a tern * renewable by the Crown were adopted ; - aadj : if " th& nomination Aver& . fbn lifey the ' offices •• might elapse into sinecuceS r op the holderamiight ; become incompetents It wast difficult ; , therefore ^ to get over the . * objection ** to nom > inatioji . by the Grown , llie favourable ruanneB'in which Sir ' James Graham ' s- proposition- Lad . been ); re « ceived : by the ; . Comraittee-- hcldvout a . prospect oft ite ultima . te > ac-ceptance . The sovtndnoss ofi its princfcplei rendered -it liloely that it would-seeure increased . ¦ facvooE ; it recommended itself , iirst , by its merits ^ and , secondly 1 , ' as a mode of escape from a-diificiiltv .
After a furthsr discussian , duniM ? which ; - the' GimN « cellor op THBExjeiiBQUER reminded the Committee that . the resolution- did not pledge it to approve-anyrS |> ecint mode of election ^ or any particular constitueoeyjja . division took place ; Avlnen Lord John . Ruflsedl ' s ¦ anfrentlnaent was negativetliby 55 (> to 185 . The question upon the resolution being putj . Loidi Goi > ERiciimoved : thiEt the Chairman report progress ,-, in , order to afford time for the consideration of Sir JauiB 3 Graham's proposition .- —This inotion was : negativedi upon a division-s by 239 to 15 . 5 . —The resoiiitioB' vraa tlien .-agreed to , and the Chairman was ordered to-rerpprt progress * The Jiouse having , resumed , some formal business was ; got through , au < l an adjournment took-place rat : twenty , ; * minutes to one o ' clock .
Tuesduy , June 15 th . MANNING THE UAVY . In the . Housis of Lords , in reply to a question from . Lord Brougham , the Earl of Malmksbvry stated thut a commission had been appointed to inquire into the best mode of manning the navy ; but it should notbei supposed that the pr / esent naval force could not . be manned in a short space of time , or that , ships enough , to defend the Channel could not bo immediately provided with crews .
PROPERTY QUALIFICATION B 1 LT ,. Earl FouTissoiJE moved the second reading of this -Mil , - which was strongly opposed by Lord Ravensworth , * tilt * Earl of Clancarty , and the Earl of'WiCKLow , on' the ground 1 that tho-meastire- had a revolutionary tendency , and was an advance towards Chartism . —Lord Bkougham-thought that ; as tho qualification was oftfen proved by falsehood , and sometimes by perjury , it ought to be abolished ; but the abolition should ' be accompanied by an act rendering , incapable of holding , a seat all persons who should not have paid their debts witlvin twelvo months after tbey had been declared , bankrupt ., lie gave notice that he should introduce A measure to , that effect . —Lord Denmak moved that the billboread a third time that day six months ; but this was » negaitived without a division . —Tlie bill was then , read a third time , ' and passed .
MR- MAODKKMOIT . Tho Marquis . of : Cj < a . kiucardk , after some discussion , withdrew his motion- for considering ., a , petition , fromi Mr . Macdennott , prayingjthat-the heaiing ; of the autioleai of charge against him be . postij / oncd from the 21 st ); of . June toithc 10 th of . July .. The House adjourned , nt twenty minutes to seven o ' clock . ' Tliere was a . morning sitting ; of the ^ House of Co ^ Pmons , whioh assembled Jit twelve ololock .
TniS CA 8 JS OF Mlt . " TOWNSEND . Mr . FrrznoY moved that a copy of tho record'of the adjudication of bankruptcy against Mr . John Townsentf , thoincmbor Tor Greenwich , be read in conjunction with tho Act 52 nd of Gco . III ., cap . 144 . —This having been done , a discussion ensued in which Mr . Towusicwd took parf ( aflirming ttint ho had obtained legal advice , and hadbofln instructed that ho was entitled to sit in tWo House ) , and which resulted in tho following resolution being agrcod to : — "That Mr . Jolm Townsend , memtJor f 6 r the boroagh of Greenwich , having been found , declared , and adjudged a bankrupt from tho 29 th' of 'Mitten , had Bincc been , and HtiH wns , bylaw , incapable of'sitting and voting in that House . " This , however , does not amount to a pornuuient exclusion of the lion , goirtleman , tho lsiw merely requiring that ho shall retire iof a ycur , for tho sottloment of his afliiira .
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Leader (1850-1860), June 19, 1858, page 579, in the Nineteenth-Century Serials Edition (2008; 2018) ncse2.kdl.kcl.ac.uk/periodicals/l/issues/vm2-ncseproduct2247/page/3/
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