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Imperial ¦ Parliament. ¦ Monday, Jj>Ril ...
petuate it . —Mr . -Lygon considered the abolition of church-rates a simple though dangerous expedient , and thought that means might be devised to exempt persons who have conscientious scruples . —Sir G . C . Lkwis entirely dissented from the plan of Mr . Puller , because he proposed a general , new , and compulsory charge upon the Teal property of the country for the purposes of the Church , whereas the present rate is a parochial rate , imposed by the vestry ; and he would impose the tax in all those parishes where church-rates had been practically abolished . He objected to 3 \ Ir . Buxton ' s amendment upon similar grounds ; that would also impose a new general charge iipou real property . —3 Ir . Nkwdcgate supported Sir . Puller's motion . —Lord John llcssELr ..
could not understand how we could have a national church establishment , with a provision for the minister , and . no provision to support the fabric of the church . He must , therefore , vote against the simple abolition of the rates ( hear , hear ')' , but lie was ready to consider any fair proposition for the settlement . of the question . —3 Ir . Walpole concurred that the abolition of church-rates without an equivalent would be putting money into the pockets of landlords to -which they a . ie not entitled ; but he considered that , with regard to the specific motion before the House , the arguments of Sir G . C- Lewis were unanswerable . —} Ir . Koicr . ucic spoke in favour of the entire abolition of church-rates . —Mr . " WiGttAJi supported the motion , and Mr . Duxton ¦ withdrew his amendment .
3 Er . PuM-ER . then briefly Tephed , expressing his willingness to withdraw his motion . '—Several members , however , objected to this course , and a division was accordingly taken . The numbers were—For the motion 54 Against 317 Majority 2 G 3 Mr . Ayrton moved the adjournment of the House , with a view to preventing the introduction of 3 Ir . Lygon ' s bill on the subject of church-rates without discussion . —The ¦ 'Chancellor of the Exchequer , and Sir G . C . Lewis appealed to the lion , member to withdraw his motion , which—having obtained an assurance from . Mr . Lygox that lie 'would not bring the bill for ward that iiijjht—Mr . Ayutox consented to . The motion was accordingly withdrawn , and Mr . Lygon postponed his measure to the following dav .
COLOXKt . LEWIS A . XD JOHN IlYIlXK . Mr . -Peter O'Bkikn moved for copies of the civil bill ejectment tried before James Major , Esq ., Q . C ., assistant barrister for the county of Monaghan , at Castleblane ' y , at the last January Quarter Sessions , wherein Colonel Lewis was plaintiff and John Byrne was defendant ; aiid , of the entry in the Look of the . clerk of tlie peace in relation to said ejectment , containing the names of the witnesses examined on behalf of the plaintiff and of the defendant . Of the facts of this case our readers are already in possession . —After some discussion , hi which Lord Naas said lie thought the motion would end in nothing beneficial , the motion was withdrawn . The House adjourned about one o ' clock .
Wednesday , Ajiril 2 $ th . -AGIUCI-I . TUKAI- STATISTICS ' . BILL . Mr . Caiiid moved the second reading of this bill . Within the last fifty yours , the population had doubled ; !) ut the area of the country could not increase , and , so far as they could learn the fact from the Enclosure Commissioners , tlic extent of waste land added during the last ten years to the arable land of the country , did not exceed 30 , 000 acres . Tlic producers , consumers , and merchants are injured by the ignorance that prevails in
reference to agricultural statistics . The returns show that in the year 1846 the small farmers were losers in three months , through want of knowledge of the true produce of the harvest , to the extent of one million and a half per month . Mr . Caird proposed that the acreage returns should be made to the ltoard of Trade , and that a department of that board should arrange . , the machinery fur carrying : out tlic details . Some farmers mi ^ ht refuse to give the information required ; but tho relieving officer might be employed to obtain it .
Mr . Packk moved to defer the second reading for six months . The farmers object to the measure , which t ! u > y considor inquisitorial and compulsory . —Mr . Duoanh seconded the amendment . —SirG . C . Lkwis did not believe that theso statistics would be of the . smallest practical value . What would bo the probable expense of rolleoting them in England ? lie doubted if they would lie worth the coat . The fifth clause appeared to him compulsory , and lie believed that neglect to fill up the papers or to sign them would bo an indictable oflcnce . —Mr . Drumemond remarked that tho bill was intended to obtain information as to the quantities of grain grown every year ; but
by the scruff of the neck and eject him from the land . ( JfMUffkter . ) The returns , he feared , would not be got : in for thiee or four months , and then the information would be out oftime , even if it were perfect , ¦ which , it would not be . He would advise the lion , gentleman to withdraw the bill , and not divide the House upon it . Mr . Cairo having replied , and suggested that any objectionable clauses might be remedied in committee , the House divided , when the second reading ; was lost by 241 to 135 . Th « Customs Duties ( No . 2 ) Bill was read a third time , and passed .
STADIv XJUESMr . Henle y moved for a select committee to inquire into the origin of the eluhu of the Government of Hanover to levy the Stadc tolls ; to consider in what degree they are detrimental to the commerce of the United Kingdom ; and the effect of giving notice to determine the treaty under which this country has assented to the payment of such tolls for a limited period . — Agreed to .
NEW AVKIT . On the motion of Sir William Jolliffk , a new writ was ordered to issue for the election of a member for the county of Leitrim , in the room of Mr . Montgomery , who has accepted the ollice of Steward of the Manor of Ilempholme . Tlie House adjourned at ten minutes to six o ' clock . Thursday , April 2 Wi . ANNEXATION IN INDIA . In the-House of Lords , the Earl of Albemarle presented , a petition from 12 , 000 of the inhabitants of Manchester and Salford , praying for the restitution of the King of Oude to the throne of that country . In so doing , the Earl expressed his dissent from the object of the petition . To restore Oude would shake British rule in India to its foundations . Still , he entirely disagreed witti the policv which led to the annexation of the state
alluded to . llefelt the utmost abhorrence of the wholesale system-of annexing , or rather of confiscating , the dominions of the native-princes in India . When a responsible Indian Minister would be appointed , he did net pretend to say . He had read the different measures proposed in the . other House , and lie did not think that any of them would answer' the-end in view . He begged to give notice that on Monday , the 10 th ' of May , he would move the following ; resolution : —" That it i . the opinion of this House that the principle of annexing native states in India for supposed default of heirs natural , or under pretence of mal-government on the part of native princes , is a flagrant violation of international law , opposed to the feelings of the people of India , derogatory to the Christian character , and dangerous to the stability of British rule ; that thi = > House , therefore , plctlges itself henceforward to abandon such , policy . "
1 > KSI'ATCIIES FOR INDIA . " Earl Grajtvillk asked , in reference to the despatch recommending ; clemency and discrimination in the punishment of the Indian mutineers , why it had been sent to the Secret Committee of the Court of Directors , as it was not addressed to any of the native chiefs or princes ; and whether this was the legal and usual course . —The Karl of Kllexuokougii stated that tlie course taken was strictly legal . It would have been inost inconvenient to make the subject-matter of that despatch public before the full of Luckno . w .
Till-: 1 > IVOUCH HILL AND IttKLAND . Lord Lynuiiurst inquired whether'the Government intended to extend tlie provisions of the Divorce Bill to Ireland . —The Loud Chancki . lou said it was not the intention of the Government to introduce any measure having that object . As tho compensation paid to proctors by the net is very large , the question of expense must be considered before , applying a similar law to Ireland . —The Karl of Wioiclow observed that the late Guvernmo . nl had promised that an act of the same kind should be introduced into Ireland . — Lord Gkanwoktii admitted that that was so . IIAKUKL OIlGANS . Tho Marquis of Wkstmkath moved tlie second reading of his hill for the suppression of barrel organs ; but tlio motion was negatived , and the bill wns thrown out .
TUB CAGLIAUI . Iii reply to questions from the Kurt of AntLii ? in reference to the capture of the Ongliuri , the Eavl of Mai . micsinn : v stated that the condemnation of that vessel by the . Neapolitan Courts was not completed ; and that the despatch of tho Marquis d'Azeglio , of tlie L'LJnd of March , had been answered . He regretted that , in consequence , of the explanation given of the error committed by Mr . Erskiue in copying tlie despatch of the Marl of Claivndon to Count Cavour , tho Sardinian
Government had drawn the . inference that , England intended to abandon it . lie could not discover that the ICnglish Government , had ever made nny protni . se to cooperate with that of Sardinia in this question . From tlic : merely English point of view , their connexion with it . ¦ was extremely Might , consisting only in tho accident of I . wo English engineer .- ) being on board tho C « # lijiri . Her Majesty ' s Government had obtained their lilxirntion , the . opinion of the law olUce . rs of tho Crown being unanimous that their detention was illegal ; tho
Government had also demanded from Naples an indemnity for their imprisonment . The feeling in Sardinia with Tegard to the capture of the steamer was very strong—so strong as to create a risk of war between the two Italian States . To prevent the occurrence of hostilities so dangerous to Europe , her Majesty ' s Government had offered its good services to Sardinia by sapporting its endeavour to obtain the restoration of the Cagliari ; and , in the event of those failing , he had advised Count Cavour to have recourse to the mediation of some friendly Power , according to the principle laid , down in the Convention of Paris , before proceeding to > any measures of hostility .
The Earl of Clauk . vdon was glad to hear that the Government had demanded an indemnity for the two engineers . The late Government was for a long time in complete ignorance as to the condition in wliich . they were kept . No access wa 3 allowed to tliem , and the Neapolitan Government represented that they were treated well . The men were clearly entitled to -an indemnity , not only for the cruel treatment they had suffered , but for the deception put upon tlie English Government . —Lord Wensletdale called attention to the fact that a difference of opinion exusts amongst the Crown officers regarding the
capture of the Cagliari , and suggested that the opinion of the Judicial Committee of the Privy Council should be taken on the question . —Lord Campbell remarked that the Judicial Committee might not be unanimous in their opinion , and , if that were so , they would , by asking for that opinion , only add to their difficulties , and give the King of Naples a plea he does not at present enjoy for refusing compensation . —The Marquis of Claxricarde asked for the production of the reply of the Government to the despatch of the Marquis d'Azeglio . —Lord Cranworth opposed any reference to the Privy Council . .
The Earl uf Derby said he was sure their Lordships must be satisfied with the statements that had been made by Lords Malm ' esbury and Clarendon . He considered a reference to the Judicial Committee of the Privy Council unnecessary , and it might be inconvenient should , there be a ditference of opinion in that learned body . He was not prepared to l < iy the reply sent to the Marquis d ' Azeglio on the table at present , it being impossible to do so while the negotiations were in progress . The Government were acting in strict concurrence with the views of France . They had not tied themselves down to act with Sardinia respecting the amount of indemnity to be claimed ; what they did was to promise Sardinia to give her all the moral support they could .
EAST INDIA BILLS . The Duke of . AKGrr . r- moved— " That there be laid before the House the report to the general court of the East India Company from the Court of Directors upon the two bills now before Parliament , relating to tlie government of India . " lie severely criticised the bill of the present Government , and said that it proposed an entirely new constitution for India . " The independence of the council was an absurdity ; it was an independence that could not be given ; and he objected to the election of the council . lie had seen , with , great astonishment , a statement made by a right hon . gentleman in another place in regard to the power now
exercised by the present Board of Control over the government ot'ludiu , that it was a power lately on the increase and one which had never received the formal sanction of Parliament . Why , the whole machinery of the secret committee had been sanctioned by Parliament over and over again . In 185 : 3 , the noblo Earl opposite ( Lord Ellenborough ) expressed the strongest possible opinion against the principle of election being adopted with a view to anything like a representation of special interests in the council . Such interests are now represented in tlie worst manner . Tho noble Karl at that time showed a decided preference for the principle of nomination ; and in that opinion he ( the Duke of Argyll ) now coincided- "
The Earl of Em , i ; nkoiiougii said lto had thought the present time very inopportune for making a change iii the Government of India ; but , Parliament being ; committed to a change , there was no drawing back . The East India Company had conducted public business in a very amicable way , and he had never had a dispute with them . The great evil of the present system is the evil of delay . It wns advisable that they should havo in the Indian Council persons with whom tho President might consult with regard to tho commerce between England and India ; and he thought it was by the principle of election that such an clement could bo best obtained . The House should take up the question of India in earnest , and not miller a week to be wasted , as the condition of that country requires the exercise of their utmost energy .
Karl ( jKkv believed the dangers of delay much less than those of taking ; i false step that might be irretrievable . It was evident that the public mind wa .-i not prepared to deal with t hf . question : the importance of the reconstruction of the home Government of India had boeu much exaggerated by all parties . To tlio natives of Iiuli . 'i , who K'iidw no ono but the Goveriior- ( << uioral , it is of little importunce . — Earl UitANVii . LK con ! nisfed the principles embodied iu tlio present bill ivilh t' < opinions expressed by the Earl of Kllioxiiohouu" > 'i
it is impossible for a fanner to give a true estimate 1 . Tho measure was only a means to an end , and it , ended with the . means .- -The bill was supported by Mr . Tuknkic , Mr . W . S . Lindsay , Mr . Kass , Mr . C . \ un \ vi : i , i ,, and Mr . Milks ; and wji . s opposed by Mr . 1 Ji : ntin € K , Mr . Kicit SnYMitu , Mr . Sr . v ^ norK , Sir . Ioiin Suki . i . kv , Mr . Wiiitkniiuc , Mr . Edwakd Hai . i ,, and Mr . Hkni . i . v . The last-named gentleman , speaking on hohalf of ( ho Government , said ' that , as to tin ; compulsory collection of statistics , lie apprehended some , diuieulty , and he feared that some of the young farmers might take the iu . spue tor
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Leader (1850-1860), May 1, 1858, page 5, in the Nineteenth-Century Serials Edition (2008; 2018) ncse2.kdl.kcl.ac.uk/periodicals/l/issues/cld_01051858/page/5/
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