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lein Mobfeth—Whatever m . ij have been the opinion ) f RMi-iuity on the subject , it ' cannot , Jn modern timtt , be tlir . ught an indignity to any person to remove his jtai'u-from a place which is reckoned positively disadrantastous to its tffect . With respect to what the hon . tnetn ' . er ha * § aid rei = pectins ; Pompeii , 1 may observe , that art is not supposed to have been in its most palmy state who . most structures in that oitv were railed , and that they -vere alsoliaWe to more violent tnoa > s of displacement than works of the present age . ( taugl . 'er . ) FACTORIES . —Sir W . James asked the Secretary for the Home Department whether the uovernment intended , ia conformity with the recommendation of the Factory Inspectors , to amend the Factory Acts with regard to tk « education of children in prin tworks ! 2 . The casmg and the guarding the machinery in mills ! 3 . The emplojiuent of children below the age ofl 3 in silk null .
SU- 6 Gin saiJ ; that with reference to the first two questions it was in « cn-1 ed to make some alterations on the -ubirctof the education of children and the casing of machinery for which purpose it would , he believed , be nee is ary to introiluce a bill into the house . The sub . ject to which the third qu stion referred was not a re . commendation of the Factory Inspectors , tiut was allude I to only in a separate report by one of the inspector . Without further communication with the Factory Insj-H-toM , and inquiring into the subject , he could not / 'It ' £ ¦ ¦ himself to a < t « pt any proceeding relative to it .
EXPENSES INCURRED IS IKBLA . ND . —Tho CnASCELT , 'tt of the ExcHEQUEE rxplained that the daily pay of the 10 , 897 officers of the Board of Works was £ 2 . 774 ; that the huhest pay wa » given to officers of the Royal Engineers , viz ., 30 s , a day and allowances when on ciu ' j to Son : ; -, » nd 20 s . to others ' , and that the lowest pjy was given to overseers of woTks viz ., 2 < . ; the gross amount of ma int-iining the stuff was £ 73 , 000 for four weeks , £ 20 . 800 of which was paid by the public , and the remainder charged on the works done . The daily pay to the destitutf labourer was from 8 . 1 . to KM ., and piecework , from 8 d . u > Is . 4 d . ; the gross amount of m lintainini ; the dc * tituUlibjur . rs for the firnt four weeks in >' ovember w « s
£ 30-, 351 ; for the first four weeks in December , £ 585 015 ; and i-jr the whole of O . ceii . lur to the 2 nd of January , £ 74-, 050 . The ratio which the expense of the staff bore to tl . a persons employed was a ' t-out seven per cent ., and taking everything into eonsi itratiou . would not certainly exceed ten per cent . IlecouM not state the expense of the officvrs under the Commissariat Office . PUBLIC WORKS ( IRELAND . )—Mr . Roebuck prelentv i a petition from a man named John Hugnn , of Ad : ; r , iu the county of Liuieiick . stating that he and hit « on 1 I 4- ] been eraptepd on th « government vforks ; that bit family were then four in number , —hut , having lost
one .. bis children , a daughter , it was reduced to three , and , in consequence of thut reduction , he had been disini * ced from the works , where he earned 101 . a day , bis son . nly being retained . 11 1 ml addressed tbe Boaid of "Works , but the reply was that thry could not relieve him . Th - ;> e > itioHer complained that such harshness should be exfrMted to a poor man without a pi-rch of land , while it va « : * notorious fact , —one to which he challenged rontra-liotion—that hundreds in tfr « t locality , having both Ian- ; ind corn , and money in the bank , were « oi kin , ' on the . i-very roada , being sent there by their l ; in-ilord < for the i urpose of enabling them the better t < ipay theirrents . ( He . r . )
IUILWAYS ( IRELAND ) BILL . — The adjourned debat- ¦•!! this Bill was resumed fcy the Maquis of Gbasbt . He had hrard with « he iti < atest regret the determination expressed by the G « vernmentof Oppc ^ i nga measure which had Wen propose ! , not in hostility to them , bnt iu aid of their plans of relief ' or Ireland . If they had not deemed it expedient to ad- > pt the whole Bill , they might have adopted a part with gretntwnefit to the country which it was th » anxiety of all tu succour . One of thr srrat evils of Ireland w as the war * of employment for the pruple , which wa « mainly attributable to th « greater uia-ease of pepulauon than of c . pital in that country , T ^ e i . niy course , theief . rr , whi < -h lay before them was to diminish the number of the Irish people , or to increas-- t-. c can'tal of lrelind . As
they -ere led to look for but lit : li < from emigration , they xaos-x chiefly rely upon the letter remedy , which it wns the "hjact of the bill before the house to apply . The ex . ten : to which it would dewlope the Irish fisheries was a ttrr . jj ; argument in favour-if t ' ic measure . The neces sarv f « nds could be realised wiUn-m deranging the finances of the country . To carry it out would require th--imii'isition of no new tax u ; un the people of Etjrl ; ind . insteal of which the scheme of the nohle lord ( L'fM George Hentincb ) would put money into the treasury , thu' identifying the interest * of all p-riies with the l . iil . The noble marquess then went on to contravert the statements of the Chancellor of the ExeluquT in reference to the number of men ho would be employed per mile on the earthworks , and to the amount ol money wbi' : i would be applied to the payment <> f wages ; every one <> f which be maintained ws 9 based upon too low an estimtte . And admitting that on ? e able-tuui . / d
wou-l b ? employed on the railroai ' s . infinite good mu « t ariv- trom withdrawing 112 , 000 aUK' -buili-d men from tl . e hall million and upwards , ifpen | i !« - now < i < .-prmieist « j « -m the --harity of the State . He thm denied that all the ilistref- was on the west coast , nutl ( hat nil the railways wer- confined to the east . A duulitbad been exniesce'i if the Irish peasant was physically ad < qt \« te to that species » f labour which was r « quired in the earthworks of a gre :: t railway ; he thought that th- Irish peasant was perfectly capable ef competing , in this respect , nith th » nati-v of any country : a very curi' -u * table haii bitn puVishrd , giving a comp-irative view of the : > venii : e stroiith an- ! size of Eiiglithmen and Irishmen —( in-nr , XVear ; and laughter . ) It apprared thut while tbe l . tlglit of the Englishman was 63 , that of the Iiishman was Ti i nrhes ; that while the Englishman wiiched l , ' i ( J . the Irishman weighed 1551 b . ; and that whiK- the strength in poun i « of the Englishman was 403 , that of the Irisiimail wa-4 « lb . —( cheers and laughter . )
Hr . W . Brown and Col . Mure oppo >« -il the mia ~ ure . The 1-ttter denounced the scheme embodied in tl . ebiil 'is one < iffligrant public immorality . It « as"an i \ uii « ivc ch ! tne for the encouragement of railway gamblinv , On ! r the auspices ol' the Stst ' . " Sueh rmilw . ivs « cie os-cure and creditleis enterprises , and essenti . iKy bad concern ; could not be metamorphosed into esseniiallj ood ones by the State ' s interf riug to an extent which ul . jevted it to two-thirds cf the risk of the loss . Alcekmijj Thompson supported it . All that was waited was the credit of the government to secure ndyanee-s to works whicb would be perfectly solvent . The gov-rnni-nt was at this moment promoting the construe , tio n of railways in India , ami he could not see why it was that the people of Ireland had not ai --treng a claim upon it in this respect as the people ot India .
Mr . F . French , Mr . Cony , Sir W . Clay , and Mr Shaw , ( th < - ! i ; h belonging ti Lord George ' s p « . rty , ) while exprrs « ing their approval of the . plan , would vote against it for the purpose of kevping in the ministry . Mr . XewdegatS supported the Bill One Chancellor of the Exchequer in possession , un 4 two ex-Cl > anc-V . t > r » of thff Exchequer had urged the financial condition of the rouatry as their reasons for objecting to tl-is mea-» ur _ •; but they had not shown that the nuances were so tow as to present any insurmountable difficulty to the iiam requisite . In fact , this measure was one for n-
Ievsng ths tax-payers of England But eien if tbe c ommeici il difficulties of the country were great , was reiind to be left to starve t The Hon . Member proeeded to show that the Bank of England , last spring , had exceeded its bounds in order lo meet the wants of rai way enterprise ; and he asked it , when the Bank of England in tbe day of proaprrity exc- 'eried its legitimate lin-. i s tu encourage railways in Englttnd . the House of Commons , in the day of Irish misery and famine , would hesitate to * exceed its usual course to provide employ . me . it and give life to the famishing people of Ireland ?
Mr . John O'Connell declared his intention to fupp'irt Lo < 5 George Bentinck ' s plan , because it gave the promise of a large expenditure in Ireland , in addition to that provided by the Government measures . He gave the government full credit fur gor > d intentions , but they were impeded by their entire ignorance of the real state of Ir-hnd and of her people . He bad hoped that they would have adopted the Noble Lorri ' a plan . Mr . li'hEAELi made the speicli of the evening : He com-ne-iced by an elaborate defence of the motives which had induced Lord Cr . Bentinck to bring forward the meisure , and the course he had pursued in doing so . He censured Lord J . Kussell fur not , at the first introduction of the bill , bulily declaring ih-it he would not permit it to be read even a first time . Bj not duing so ,
he had become responsible for all that has since occurred . Un ier tlw circumstances , Lord George and his paity "an no alternative but to proceed , whatever the consequences mit- 'ht be . He then administered a castigatiou to deserters like Mr . Shaw : The right lion , gentleman ( Mr . Shaw ) was going to tote against them because , allhouah he thought it very improbable , a belief had arisen that , if a vote was riven advene to the government , the government would cease to exist . lie ( Mr . D'Israeli ) saw gentlemen on the otber side of the house who had entered Parliament tha first time with himself-ten years ago and they would recollect that when they came in they were all told that tbe government of thai day would not last , because it was going out on an Irish qa-stion . That government did not go out on an Irish question . Two
years at ' . er that the leader of the most puivcrfui partv , at least the most powerful party in opposition , that evtr existed in this country , forced to accept oflice .- gainst bis will , and resigning , under peculiar circumstances , in three days , that position , announced to that house that Ireland was his "great difficulty . " ( Hear , hear . ) A govmrnifcnt then again acceded to power uhkli unquestionably was in a minority , not only as regarded that house , but as regarded the country—a party which , how . ever , he very frankly confessed , although not able tt > - - vtiu England—which generally governed itself—was the only party that could govern Ireland . ( Hear , hear . ) But tfee Irish question now before them was not the Irish question of the last ten years . ( Cheers . ) Thvn the Irish uuestiou was , how Ireland was to be governed ; now the
Irish question was , how was Iceland to be ied ? After contending that the e ? il < of Ireland were strictly ¦ ocial and economical , and that the idea of curing them by increasing tbe number of electors for and members of parliament was a pura hallucination , Mr . D'lsrueli protested against attributing the visitation to Providiuce save in the general sense in which all events werj attributabl e to Providence . But it ivould not do for that house to use the easy phrase of a " visitation of Providence" to conceal their own laches in this respect , for what Ud occurred had been foretold by great statesmen andfe , men most experienced in Ireland . Lord Wei-!^*? h ? ld VBV "' entJ-fi ™> Jears ago . that the potato . SiftoS !^ se neratettate 0 ? potat / , l it came to the lumper , " would ultimately destroy Ireland
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Uil : ss measures were taken to arrest the evil , Th » y would nlto find , in the deipatches and public papers of Mr . Drummond , that that gentleman expressed the same opinion ; and everything now happening in Ireland was , in fact , the occurrence of a contingency which had been longest foreseen by those who belt knew that country , and who were best capable of forming an opinion on the subject . After depending Mr Hudson and Alderman Thompson , wlio » e names are on the back of the oill , from the imputations of the Chancellor of the Exchequer , he said he must rmind the Chancellor of the Exchequer that it was not merely makers of railway ! , and creators of rail ways , and manufacturers of irons , who had one pursuit ; there might be a peculiar body of men in the stato who followed one pursuit and filled one
office ; nnd when he found three Chancellors of the Ex . chequer ( laughter ) rising one after the other to oppose this measure , he was disposed to view that financial opposition with some jealousy . ( "Hear , " and laughter . ) He was bound to say . that the Chancellor of the Exche . quer made his sptech in a very bold and dashing spirit . ( Alaugh . ) It certainly was in a style not generally heard from Chancellors of the Exchequer ; indeed , sn courageous was its spirit , that be would rather have ex pected to hear it from the Secretary at War or the Pay . master of the Forces . ( Laughter . ) But the right hon . gentleman stated most positively , that the noble member for Lynn and his friends were quite wrong ; and he ansert' -d that the proportion of capital expended on railroads was only 25 per cent . The right hon .
gentleman did not condescend to offer any proof oa this point ; he did allege any evidence , or present the house with any data ; but he said , " You are perfectly wrong , 1 have been told , " though he did not nsme his authority , " that the proportion of capital expended is only 25 per cent ., nnd that the utmost you can expect is that £ 1 , 000 a-mile will employ 15 men . " Now , he did not think these were subject * which could be treated upon the ipse dixit of any man . The hon . gentleman than went into a length y statement , which he contended , subverted the calculations of the Chancellor of the Exchequer , and from which it appeared that , on an average , about 57 per cent , of the wfiole outlay on railways had been expended in England , France , and Belgium , in the payment of wnges to com . mnn labourers on the works . Applying this to the
capability of the measure for employing labour in Ireland , Mr D'Israeli said the Chancellor of the Exchequer estimates that the expenditure iu labour is nenrly 25 per cent . Well , if we tnke the Irish railroads at £ 16 , 000 per mile , and leave £ 1920 per mile expended in four years , it would give for each mile £ 2 , 280 per year . Now , Sir , the Chancellor of the Excfctquer has told us , that for e » ery £ 1 , 000 per mile for four years , 45 men are employed . Well , I have shown you that in the labour for these Iri 6 h railroads , £ 2 , 280 per mile will be expended ; therefore , according to his own data , instead of 45 men only , 102 may be employed on each line of railroad for the nett { out years , and that there being proposed to be 1 , 500 miles of " railroad , 153 , 000 labourers , instead of 110 . 000 , as my noble friend estimated would be
employed ; and although I know he understated his casein allowing five persons dependent upon each labourer , that would make 765 , 000 persons to be sustainc .-i by these works , according to tbe principle of the Chan " , cellor of the Exchequer , for four years . ( Cbc ; rs , ) The hon . gentleman next r ^ ad a letter from Mr . Hemming , an Englishman , extensively { engaged in railway contract ? in Ireland , showing that Irish labourers were easily trained to railroad work , and that if the measure was paused " thousands would be immediately employed . Rethought the letter of such a man completely answered a'l the vague and shadowy objections of a late , a later , and the latest Chancellor of the Exchequer . ( A laugh . ) The writer told them that the mere Irish labourer was sufficient for the construction of these railways ; that
there were { only two and a half per cent , of English labourers employed upon his works ; that he could employ one thousand more Irish labourers ; that they were p » rfi ctly cnvable for that kind of labour ; that in a few weeks , they were capable of making even tunnels , and that when he wan'ed more men they came from Connaught and the western counties . But then it was said that these navigators were gay lothario * , that they were not family men . that they were all Englishmen , and that th « -y had all left a wife and family at home . ( A laugh . ) Xow he hail found they were altogether Irish , and he bad within the last hour had a letter put into his hands by the door-keeper of that house from an Irish gentleman , which had almost raised a blush in him as he r . 'ad it , and which be would with their permission of the
; 'ouse read to them . Ths writer was Sir Harvey Bruce . That gentlemen having read what wns termed the unanswerable speech of the Chancellor of tbe Exchequer , in which be nas reported to have stated that most of tho ? e men employed on railways are unmarried men , says , that as chairman of the railway through which the Perry and Coleriine line passes , that fthat railway was tlip means to relieve , ( o a great extent , the destitute poor , although that line had not been carried on very extens i vely—that the great majority of those men were marri-d men , and that many of those men have families from ei » htti > twelve in number . ( Great laughter . ) These are the navigators whom , we are told , hiving left their wives at { home went away to sport themselves—they went forth to plunder the government—that they are all
mere bojs , having neither families nor charge—quite stripHncs —( Hear , hear , and laughter)—now , howtrtr , it turns out otherwise , they are married men , nnd if we zet our Kill we will be able to relieve the government fron ? at le . ist the charge of 580 , 000 porsons . There wore tw- other objection !) to dispose of , each of which , like th ^ first , had been brought forward by a Chancellor of the Exchequer . Mr . Baring had warned them of tbe financial difficulties which surrounded the question , and had instanced the cases of France and Belgium as illustrating tbe danger to which the proposed measure would subject them . He ( Mr . D'Isra < li ) c-nten < ied that the expprience of these two countries , so far as railways were concerned , only encouraged them to proceed with the scheme ; for the undertaking * in which the governments of these two countries had embarked bad benefited them in every way , the advantage accruing to their ere it and rpTenues not being the least . The next objection was j rownded ujion tbe impolicy of interf - ring with private
enterprise ; Mittlure was no private enterprise in Ireland to interfere with , whilst the direct consequence of tbe measure before tfcem would be to create thnt private enterprise about . which they were told to be so careful . Mr . D'Uraeli eoneluded by a tcc-ncral survey of tbe benefits the measure would confer upon Ireland . It would pen up coal mines , and give cheap fuel ub well as cheap fond . It would create new trades , make new residences fir men of all classes , give a stimulus to the fisheries Mirh as never before was dreamt of , and in fact , cive u new tone and character to the island . If they failed in carrying the plan th . y would at least not suffer the bitterness of personal mortification , for the plan had « ot been matured by a scheming ambition , and did not aim to up ^ ct a government , but did aspire to benefit a nation . Tha hon . esntlcman was loudly cheered on resuming his seat . The debate was then adjeurned , and the house broke up nt half iast twelve .
HOUSE OFLORDS , Feb . 1 « . TUESDAT . —E » rl Fitzwilliam ngain brought forward tbe influx of Iriih paupers into Liverpool . THE CAS TLEBAlt UNION . —Lord Lucan at consider , able length defended himself against tbe charges made against his conduct , aud that of the Board of Guardians , in closing the Castlebar workhouse upon the paupers of that union . lie denied the allegation that he had not paid his rates—accused the government officers of falsehoods respecting his conduct , ami the government of protecting them in those falsehoods , as well as giving currency to them in blue books .
E : irl Gbet wnrmly defended the government officers , and the conduct of the government , it had been accused of countenancing attacks made upon the Irish landlords ; but lie referred tothese blue bonks to exonerate them from that accusation , and he contended that any one wl , o wnuld read those books would be found to confess that ¦ he government had done much to throw a shield over the Irish proprietors . Lord Monteagle and the Marquis of Westmenth aame to Lord Lucan ' s assistance , and ti protracted personal discussion ensued , which ultimately terminated without any specific result . Tlie Brewing from Sugar nnd Distilling from Sugar Bills were read a second time , Loid Stanley girln : ; notice that he would move that both bills be referred to a select committee at tbe next stage . Tb . Destitute Persons Bill passed through com . mittec , HOUSE OF COMMONS , Feb . 16 .
TUESDAY . —RIGHT TO IlELIEF IN IRELAND . — Mr . Fceope put certain questions to the Home Secretary in consequence of what has transpired in tho Caetlebar Union , the reply to which by Sir O . Grey , establishes the virtual irresponsibility of the guardians for their past conduct , inasmuch as no compulsory right t j relief exists under the present Irish Poor Law .
OUTRANKS ON PUBLIC ( 7 ORKS . —Mr . Smitu O'Brien' complained of the resolution adopted by the Government of suspending public works whenever outrnges were committed by any persons employed on sueh works . He considered that was involving the innocent in a punisl'imnt which should be reserved for the gu'lty alone . Mr . Linui'CUEKE defeuded tho resolution , as the only means to ensure the apprehension of the criminals , and as the most cii ' . ctual mode of putting an end to eutrajjes . The nsult had fully proved the efficacy of this determi-: i : ilion , aiid the government wuie resolved to enforce it rigidly . Mr . O'Hihen hav ng expressed his concurrence in the pleasure expressed by a correspondent , that in a particular case of outrage , none of the workmen had " peached , " Mr . Laboucfavrc Slid ho was astonished at the honourable meinbir rejoicing that culprits concern d in an outrage upon ft public w ork had nut been discovered .
ADJOURNED DEBATE . —The debate on the Railways Bill ( Ireland ) was then resumed by Mr . B . Oiborne , who supported tbe mcaturc . Colune ! Cjnoliy , Sir John Walsh , and Sir II . W . Barrou also spoke iu favour of the bill . C-ipt . Layard and Mr . V . Stuart opposid it . The speeches of the ni ght were those of Sir IV . Ptcl and Lord G . Bentinck . 8 ir K . 1 ' eel opposed the Bill . fc'ir R . 1-el wished to discuss the bill in a spirit and temper befitting the magnitude of the evils for which it was proposed as a remedy . Hi * vote would hi based upun the merit * of the bill , aud not upon any considcra . tion of the consequences to which the noble lord ( Lord John Russell ) stated that the success of the bill would give rise . The extent to which it was now proposed to pledge the credit of the government justified a considc .
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ration of the present financial condition of tbe country . For the year ending 5 th of January last , the receipts had been greater than the most sanguine had anticipated ; The excess abovethe estimate was about two millions . But the matter for their consideration , in connection with this bill , was the prospect of the coming year . The government could hardly , considering the condition of the country , th « high price of cotton and of provisions both at home and abroad , look for so largo a revenue f » r the coming year . To the navy and ordnance estimates it would be necessary to make an addition of £ 400 , 000 . He did not anticipate any reduction in the
miscellaneous estimates ; and there was every reason to believe tbat the expenditure of the coming year would largely exceed that of the past year . H the amount of expenditure required for Ireland should approach tbe sum of nine , or possibly eleven millions , it was p-obable that » n the 5 th of April , 1948 , there would be a deficit of seven or eight millions . Nor was the extraordinary demand on account of Irish calamity to be limiud to the coming y « ar , They could not trust to tbe potato any longer for the sustenance of Ireland . After meeting the present distress it would be incumbent upon them to consider those other measures which wou'd
regenerate Ireland , at least so far as her subsistence was concerned . And what was the present condition of the money market ! A loan ( or the proposed railways was significant of taxation . The Three per Cents ., which a short time ago , w ' l'c above par , were not at present much above ninety . There had been a fall in funded property to an extent of about five per cent . Aa to tbe uiifutided debt . ^ some descriptions of Exchequer bills were very nearly at a discount . And with respect to the aspect of our foreign affairs , his confidence in tbe assurance of tranquility by her Majesty was somewhat shaken by the discussions which had taken place between this government and France , and by the declaration in her Majesty ' s speech , that three of the great powers of Europe had
neen guilty of a manifest violation of a solemn treaty . Yet it was at a . moment like this that the noble lord came forward with a proposal to draw upon the credit of this ' country to an extent of sixteen millions . They could only provide for the deficit which he contemplated by tbe increase of taxation , by the issue of Exchequer bills , or by the contractingjof a loan . Was it advisable , under these circumstances , to increase the riiffi . culties of the government , by proposing a further expenditure of sixteen millions for the corning four years ? By so doing they would so charge the market with unfunded debt that it would be absolutely neo ^ siry to increase the interest on Exchequer bills , Tliey cojid not pledge the national credit for the promotion of private enterprise without running tbe risk of loss nnd engen .
dering the necessity for increased taxation , Tbe Treasury was to have no discretion as to the advances , provided the railway commissioners certified , in favour of certain projects . This transferred the power of cxpi nding the public money to a railway board , not rcspoitfi ble to the house for the administration of tbe national finances . The certificate of the railway commissioners wa » r . ot to show that any railway would repay the advances made to it , but simply tbat it would be a public advantage to a particular district , and give beneficial employment to the people . And yet it was upen a certificate like this that thi Treasury was to be compelled to make the proposed advances . And as to the protpect of repayment , he was not quite so sure that it would be mada at the end of thirty years ; and even the bill itself
contemplated the possibility of non-payment , inasmuch as it ( proposed to give a further ami unlimited time for payment to such projects as might not turn out to be profitable . He was ready to do every thing that was necessary to give employment to the Irish poor , bnt he thought that the amount of advantage proposed to be given by this bill to the Irish shareholders could r . ot be justified . The first application which would be made of the public money to be advanced under this bill would be to pay what was owing to the creditors of railroads , these creditors not being shareholders . Olhe railway companies were borrowing money at five ami six per cen , and tbe advance proposed to be made to tbe Irish railways was to be made at threa and a half per cent . It ' the completion of Irish railways was to s- cure enormous
additional profits , as was predicted , to English railway ? , why did not the latter step in and complete them * Tbe bill would give a bonus of £ 25 , 000 on every million advanced to the Irish railway companies . Besides , be doubted whether , if they had the money to expend , they could not lay it out in some other means more advantageous to Ireland , and it was amongst other reasons , because he doubted this , that he could not give his assent to tbe bill . In admitting the abstract truth of the proposition , that commercial enterprise should not be aided by the State , the honourable member fur Shrewsbury admitted the whole question . The proposition was as applicable to Ireland as it was to England . The Hoble lord who introduced the bill bad stated that the Irish landlords who had property in the vicinity of tho
proposed railways would in the agRregate have the vulue of their property enhanced to tbe extent of twentythree millions . If the railways would ( rive such a bonu « to Irish landlords , why did they not come forward anil complete them ? Tbe vast improvement which they woubl effect in the fisheries was also adducad as an argument in favour of the bill . Why , in view of all tbiF , were these railways not completed by private enterprise f Some alleged that there was no money in Irnlauo with which to complete them . But there was abundance of money in this country , and why was it not embarked in Irish railroads « One objaction in the way of the construction of Irish railways arose from the difficulty of obtaining land , the process of obtaining which for such enterprises should be simplified . If they nveipowered
Irish enterprise by the application of English capital to its development to the extent to whith tbe bill proposed tbat they should do , he firmly believed thej wouhl Indoinic anything but advancing tho present and i eruianent interests of Ireland . He was not averse to the occasional application of public capital to the promotion of public works ; what lie deprecated was such an application of it as would paralyse the ifforts of this hill , proposing , as it did , to advance to Irish companies full y two-thirds of their capital . Tbe right hon . baronet then contrasted the condition of such means of internal communication as had been aided in their construction by tbe Siate with what had been done by private cuterprise in the same direction , in order to demonstrate the impolicy of extensive State interference with bucIi
enterprises . After giving an account of tho success of Mr , Bianconi , the car proprietor , tbe richt hon . baroHvt concluded by an appeal to the Irish landlords ;—let me intreat of you Irish proprietors to imitate his example—( cheers)—and believe me if you feel convinced that railroads will add to the value of your property twentyf three niillioHS according to tbe sm . guine estimate of the noble lord , and , therefore , determine to deal liberally with thu companies , and to simplify tbe cumbrous pro . cesses of the law ; if , disregarding "party processions and religious animosities , and the feeling tbat political considerations overpower private enterprise , " you nu ot with a deep interest in the welfare of your common country ; if you promote tbat welfare and at tbe same time engage in those useful occupations which add to the tnjoymtnt of your own lives and tbe benefit of your own property ; if vou will trust to tbe influence of inoi .
tidual enterprise , and practice Uiat integrity and skill in those public undertakings which you are sure to cxbi . bit in eviry profession and calling to which you are called ; if you will imitate that example set you by a foreigner unacquainted with the language of tbg country ; if , forgetful of the malignant influence of party nnd Religious differences , you meet together uniler a sun « e of the overpowering calamity from which vour cnuniry is suffering , nnd determine to direct all your energies to tbe mitigation of that calmiity , and tu the improvement of the social condition of tlio inilPons de . pendent on your exertions for their future well-being ; my firm belief is , that you will then do more te promote the interests of your native land than if , resigning yourselves to sloth , and idleness , and despair , you plac your whole confidence in government grants ' , nm ! government patronage , [ The right lior . ourable gi ntli-inin sat down amid cheers which lasted for several minutes . ]
Lord G . Bentisck asked the house if it would listtn to the " fffdc policy" of tbe right honourable gentleman , when they considered that , whilst in Belgium , France , and tbe United States , where railways had b en promoted by the Stute , hundreds and thousands of miles bad been constructed , only 123 miles had as yet been completed in Ireland , where private enterprise had been left to its o « u resources , unaided by the government . The rijht honourable gentleman had calculated on a deficit of from seven to eight millions , to be caused b y the- extraordinary expenditure for the coming year in Ireland , which deficit would be diminished b y four millions by the bill now beforo the house . In adiition to that , his proposition had not a ? yet bien painsaid , thnt the enhanced consumption of exciseable and dutiable articles in Ireland to which tbe
bill would give rise would put from six to seven hundred thousand pounds into the Exclu quer . And could they believe tbat in a country like this , the annual savings of which were estimated at fifty millions , fouv millions could not be raised in each yenr for four years , with which to improve the permanent condition of an important portion of the empire ? Wore they lo weigh tbe chances of losing a fartliinB or a half-penny per cent , on Exchequer Hill * against the lives of the Irish people 1 nnving read lmrrowhi K details of the suffering in Ireland , and quoted from votes or" thanks which had been sent to him from all parts of tbe country , the noble lord replied with great spint to the arguments of the various opponents of his measure , although not without much interruption from tbe lateness of the hour . Sir Charles Napier ' s opinions on tbe question be disposed of by reminding him that however great an authority he might bo on naval affairs , he was like a fish out of water when he discoursed on the
sulject of Irish railroads . The noble lord excited roars of laughter , sit the expense of the Gallant Admirul , by telling thu story of the " Sidon , " which had been con-• tructcd under his direction , and whk-h tho jolly tars bad since re-ckiistened the " Drunken Charley . " Lord (} or ^ o congratulated himself tbat bis plan had not the approbation of Mr . Francis Baring , that Chancellor of the Exchequer so famous for sinking the retinue to the lowint point ; and with respect to the figures and ciileubitions relied on by Hr . Goulburu , be contented himself with remarking " 'Twas a pity when charming women talk of what they don ' t understand . " His lordship thus concluded : M y right hon . friend has oftVred to stake the whole of his fortune to tho bouse and to tbe country on thesecurity of the Government . I am not going to oiler mine , because I know that it is worth little , but if along with my right hon . friend and Mr . Laing , he chooses to put me at the head of this unpaid comrolssion- ( lauRhtcr and loud cheer *)—then I will be
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responsible for carrying thin measure out , without the loss of a single shilling to the Stato—I will be responsible for ctrrying this measure out , and for the employment of the people—I will be responsible for the regeneration of Ireland ; and if it fail , why then I shall be liabli to impeachment , and I shall challenge the house to put that piocesa in force against me . I say not thi < in any trifling spirit , or in any idle bravado . There are ready hands and glad hearts in this honse , I doubt not , to put it in force . There is a party in the house to whom I hare shown no quarter , and it ia meet and just th 11 they should give no quarter to me . As I have given no quarter , I will take no quarter ; nnd I now offer mysi If , with the assistance of tbe g < ntlemen I have before named , to carry this measure out at the hazard of
impeachment—( Laughter)—without costing the country a single shilling , end I will answer for its success . ( Cheers . ) ' It is a measure which offends against no old party recollections—it is a measure which is not against any religious prejudice , —it is a measure which confiscates no property—it is a measure which makes no outrage upon constitutional luw—it is a measure which , whilst it clothes the naked and fills the hungry with good things , would not send tbe rich empty away . And I ask now the Government , for tho last time—I appeal to the government- -I implore them to accept it at my hands . I Bay to them , grant to Ireland , grant to me , mj fervent , my honest , my only prayer ; and I confess I care not if this bo the lust time that I address this or any other mortal assembly , The noble lord resumed his seat amidst Ieud and general cheers .
Lord J . Russell took the same financial view of the question as Sir R . Peel , and contended tbat , looking nt the sums already expended to relieve tbe most pressing distress , it would not be expedient to consent to this measure , which he did not think would give immediate relief to destitution . Tho house divided at half-past three in the morn , ing * — For the second reading us Against it 322 Majority against the bill 204 HOUSE OF COMMONS—Febroary 17 . WEDNESDAY—SUPPLY On the motion of Mr . Pabkeb , the house went into Committee ot Supply , and a vote was taken on outstanding Exchequer Bills to the amount of £ 18 . 310 , 700 .
FACTORIES BILL . —A large number of petitions hav . ing been presented in favour of tbe Ten Hourg' Bill , the adjourned debate on this bill was rciumed by Sir A . L Hit . whu made a speech in opposition to It , in which there was not the sllghest novelty either of argument or illustration . Mr . Beknh , supported tbcbillin an excellent address , in which he successfully took up the points of interfer-nee with adult labourers ; reduction of wages ; foreign com . petition ; the effect of factory labour on health , aud other topics . An extract from the close of his spetch will give an idea of its quality : —Much had been said both in that house and elsewhere on what had been done by the master manufacturers by fheconstruction of parks , ami schools , and athenwutns for the working-classes .
He should like to know , however , when were the working-clastes to enjoy them * ( Hear , hear . ) Of what use were mechanics'institutions , and parks , and athenscums , if the people for whom tbe atbennums were built , and the parks planted , had neither time , sinews , nor spirits to make use of them ? How was a man working ten hours a-day to find time for recreation ? They would say be might use these places on a Sunday ! Why , think what a Sunday was to a man who had been standing ten hours a day at a loom for the six previous days of the week 1 It was his day literally of rest —( hear , hear)—it was his day for th" performance of many little domestic duties he had previously been obliged to neglect , but it was a mockery to call it his day for enjoying their parks
and ntlienreums . ( Hear , hear . ) This was an hypocrisy which deserved to be exposed . ( Renewed cries of " Hear , hear . " ) But he now cairn- to another consideration . It was truly said , tbat manufacturers at tbe present mom' -nt were depressed . Now . what was the cause of it ! Why , it cnuld be traced to tbe working of that magnificent and demon power , the ateam engine . By the aid of its powers the manufacturers oi this country had overstocked every market in the world . Tha shores of South Anu-rica were white with their calicoes ; tbe yellow plains of China were coloured with their prints . ( A la -gh . ) What was tbe cure for nil this over-production 1 Short time . And , ns there must necessarily be diminished pro . ilnction in future , what barm was there in passing ibis bill « ( Hear , beer . )
Mr . Dennistoi'n was understood to remark that over-production was an increase of good ; it was not an evil . Mr , Bernal . — Then if it was a good let them hear no m <> ro grumbling from the manufacturing districts . ( Hear , hear . ) But he dtnied that it was a good . CouM tiny consider nn increased number of bankruptcies it symptom of j . 'nou ? Let them fee how frightfully the production bad increased One factory inspector reported that in his district alone between Nov . 18 * 5 and Nov . 1640 , 65 new mills were added to tho number previously existing , working 3 , 315 additional horse power , and em . ; il > jing 13 300 additional woikpcoplc . ( Hear , hear . ) But be hurt heard something said as to the American undtrselling us . Why , they have been doing this for
years . Yet , if they contrasted wages in America with wages in England they wnuld find our ratts lower than tbe Americans , whilst they would also find that tho American female spinn-rs were much more liberally treated . ( Hear , hear . ) It was a fact of Hbich , perhaps , some members might not be aware , that in tbe aggregate those workwomen employed in American factories bad much more time at their disposal thnn in this country , Gclii-rnlU , they were the ( laughters of respectable farmers , nnd during two or three months of the jeartbey had a vacation from work , during which they retirul to tin ir country homes , to renew their donustie ties and tympathies . ( Hear , hrar . ) Let tbtm (• how him 11 parallel case to this in Yorkshire or in Lancashire , There the work was unceasing—never ending . ( Cheers . )
\\ ell , then , t . il ; ing ; all tbess facts into their considerhti' -ns , he put it to the master manufacturer . ? , was it worthwhile to contind now against a principle which whs 80 sure as this was of ultimate adoption ! Let them ask tlitmsilves , did not the operative ? of Lancashire and Yorkshiredesi-rve something at their hands ! Their agitation for this bill bad been a moral agitation : they bad never thrcatmed even a turn-out . And yet tbecc men , be it remembered , had good argument on their sMe . If they looked around them they saw no other cUssts of operatives compelled to woik as they were . Not a smith , not a mason , not a carpenter , nor a joiner iu London v . urkcd as long as they did ;—nay , tbe very mechanics in the mills at which they laboured never worked ten hours a day upon tbe avi rage . ThcBe men , then , bad a right to say let us exercise a free will as well as our fellows , or if vou work us extra hours piy u » , us you pay our fellow workmen , not upon a scale of arithmetical proportion , but rather on 2 scale of
geomatrical progression , ( Loud cheers . ) Let them remember too , that these , people were deprived of many of tho advantages open to their fellows . Thero was a chymistry in nature , and though the . agricultural peasant might labour as long aud might live in greater squalor nnd carelessness than tbe factory workmen , yet be hud tbe advantage of free air , and of the glorious sunshine , lit at . tiiined a ripe old nge , undepressed in physical or mental energy . How different bis condition ln > m that cf tbe occupant of tbe crowded , ill-ventilated , badly lighted factory ! A spirit of justice and fiiinnss delate ! to tbe musters Unit to these wen they owed some com . pi-nsatiou for tbe lilui-sinj ; ' of which they were so much deprived ; und with evtry rospict , be warned them to yield in time , leit they might bu made to vi' -ld hunafter undir lircatcr disadvantage , and left themselves open to the suspicion of avaricious iirnsping afti-r that which they could not maintain , nnd which the dictates of morality nnd Christianity forbude tin m to bold . ( Lou 1 cheer-Ing )
Mr . S . CiuwfoRD follnw > -d on tbe same side , statin that a public mcctint ; ot' tbe noikin ); ulaxscs of Kothdiile both men and women bad declared their winh that be should support this bill , and their willingness lo ri-k the chance of a loss of wages , in case it should be passed into law . Mr . Dehnistocn > * . bemouthpiece of tlieGlasgow millowners , expressed bis surprise that Lord John Ru-sell should be prepared to vote in favour of this measure , especially on the ground th * t no question of principle was involved in it . It did not follow that bucause rio injury had resulted from the compulsory reduction of the hourg of labour , from fourteen to twelve , no injury would be tbe consequence of a further reduction ot them
from twelve to ten . There was no necessity fsr such u reduction , and iu u country dependent for its wealth on commerce and mauufucturc » , it vt \ n a project as ruinous a » it was absurd . If we adopted it , tbe manufacturers of Great Britain would no longer be able tj compete with those of the United States , where tin cost of tbe raw material was so much less . The . inevitable result of a further legislative intrrfvrrnve in pvufi . s and wages would be a loss in wages upon thu whole cotton trade of nearly £ 900 , 01 ) 0 a year . He was convinced that , after this bill came into optrntion , not many wcrk » woubl elapse before those vtry individuals tor whose ideal we ) , fare it was passed would call on Parliament , in accents not to be misunderstood , to repeal its enactments , nnd to succour them amid tho ninfnsion and ruin wh ' -ih such
unwiso and unjust legislation bud brought upon the country , Mr . Febrand made a long and enir ^ 'etic speich in support of tbe measure , the hon . incmbtr repeated in tbe honsu the arguments which bis spetches at public meetings in tbe factory districts of England and Scotland , have made familiar to our leaders . IIi- in an ( special manner attacked the late League nnd Mr . Bright , tbt . t hon . member having said last week that , Lord Ashley bad made statements in his speeches which liu had afterwards given up . Mr . Ferrnnd after commenting on the cowardice of attacking thu noble lord behind bis buck , said , previously to thu Ministry having imUu'lv stated
their determination to change theenrn laws , Lord Ashley published a ktttr in tho newxpaprra , und intimated to hisronstitueiits that be was pn pared to vote for that measure ; but ho believed be was justified iu sujingthough he did not speak on tbe authority of the noble lord himself—that u communication w » s made to him by some of tbe leading cotton-s pinners of Lanca ^ hiic , that if h « would support them in obtaining the repeal of the corn laws , they would support him in ti Ten Hours' Bill ( Hear , hear . ) The noble lord had recently been in Lunch , shire , attending vast meetings of tho opcm lives on thb question , and no one had opposed him . He was at Both , dale , and he believed tho hou . membir ( Mr . Bright ) wai
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invited to meet him . ( Mr . Bright said hi was not in " tlted ) He ( Mr . Ferrand ) understood that the hon . gen " tleman had been invited , but would be deny that he was In the town when the noble lord held a meeting there t ( Hear ) Tbe brother of the hon . member ( Mr , Bright ) went to that meeting ; he had the " pluck" to go and advocate the views ho held on this question ; but the hon . member did not go to meet the noble lord face to face , and there to make such charges against him as be had made in that house . ( Cheers . ) Hit brother howem , did appear among his own factory people to oppose the measure of Lord Ashley , though not a single man could be found in the meeting to stund up and assist him . He again asked what statements did Lord Ashley ever make in that bouse tbat th «
hon . membor for Durham was prepared to dispute ! He therefore called on the master manufacturers to fulfil the bargain which they had made with their operatives during the anti-corn law ngitatioR , and to give their support to a Ten Hours' Bill , as they had promised to do if tbe operatives would support them in obtaining tbe Re peal of ihe Corn Laws . Ho then refuted at great length the arguments advanced by Mr . Bright ; and after conoluding his refutation , proceeded to notice the intimida . tion which wns now exercised upon the operatives 01 Manchester for the purpose of getting up n statement that they wero opposed to the Ten Hours'Bill . He de . niedon their part ihe existence of any « uch feeling . Be . fore hi * sat down , he would tell the house deliberately , that the operatives ( and he knew their feelings ) would no longer be trifled with . The Chancellor of the Exchequer , had told the home that there had been no " strikes" in tbe north of England , and that tlu > working people had not struck , when the working people in tbe
north of England came t » that house and petitioned for protection for their wives and children , the home refused to grant it ; it did not refuse it to the wives and children of the colliery working men ; and how was the sympathy of the hojse worked upon ! Why , the blue book in their case was embellished with woodcuts , showing the barbarous degradation of the wives and children of colliers . Beware , lest the working men in the factories follow that example . The day might come when Parliament-street might witness GOO factory cripples , wasted and mained , with loss of lugs and arms , their bodies stunted in our factories ; and as sure as they should refuso to the operatives tbe justice to which they had a right in this question , so sure would they take such a step us that to work upon the feelings of the house ; and the day was not far distant , if the house refused thin bill , when 500 factory cripples might ftflBemble in Palacc . yarri , joining in the universal song—the 6 ong of tho factory
children" We will have the Ten Hours' Bill . " ( Hear , hear . ) Mr . Roebock said , if noise were rhetoric and a hiuh opinion of ones own case was argument , the speech of tbe hon gentleman who had just sat down would be a convincing one . But he ( Mr . Roebuck ) should take the liberty of addressing himself only to the small por . tion of what might be called argument in the observations of tbe hnn . gentleman , passing by , with one or two remark " , the attendant garnish which accompanied the rest of what he said . The hon . member then at length explained and defended tho doctrines of those who had been called " coldblooded political economists , " and reiterated in his peculiar style the standing objections to the measure . It was certain to reduce wages nnd ruin our trade . Beside * ,
if the principle was correct , why BOt apply it to women who worked in tli « fields as well as those who worked in the factoties . Why the " printerVdovils" and comp » sitors on the 7 imc » who were up all night not be limited also ? As to tbe support given to tho bill by the Tory party , Mr . Roebuck made a good hit . He did not import party Into the question ; but be could not shut his ejes to the fact , when he saw gentlemen on the opposite benches watching for every stray straw in their attempt ! to make a party . They held up a flig to attract every prejudice , jlad to get anything like support . One day they promised mutton to the starving Irish , and the next they told tbe English operative they would get him twelve hours' wajies for ten hours'work . That was called statesmanship—that was called dealing with the into .
rest of a great country on a comprehensive plan . ( Hear , hear . ) Comprehensive plan ! It was the wrcckvr ' s plan . That of the man who hoisted a light on a lee-shore in the hope that he miabt get something by scrambling amongst the shipwrecked seamen . ( Loud cheers . ) Let them only « ee a vessel in distress , be it a Ten Hours Bill or an Irish famine , and gentlemen opposite immediately hoisted a signal to tempt the shi p among the breakers , ( Loud cheeis . ) ne hoped that these new-fledged philantbropists would endeavour to extend to thelabourinp claBjes tho constitutional right to vote for members of parliament , f 0 that they might have a truo and virtual representation in tbat house , ne trusted tbat the lion , member for Finsbury would test tho feeling of hon , gentlemen opposite on this question . ( Hear , hear . ) Let
them have a "large comprehensive scheme" submitted to tbe leader of the great party opposite ( a laugh ) and the labouring classes could coma and exprens their opinion tkemsehes . ( Hear , hear . ) When that time arrived , and he hoped it would soon come , then they would see tbe value of all these fine declamations ' . Gentlemen opposite always deal with tbe people with a patronising air , putting them on the back as they wouM n child , and saying , " Wo will do everything for your good ; be quiet , we will be jour pastors and masterc , but don ' t , for heaven ' s » nl > e , iittem ^ t tobe legislators . ( Hear . ) ne blamed Lord J . Ilussellfor piddling with this question , by consenting to an eleven hours'limitation , and hoped that if tbe Bill was to be carried at till , which be foresaw it would , it should be carried out to its full extent of ten hours' limitation .
Mr . Tbelmvnet and Mr . Maksland spoke in opposi tion , and Sir G . Stricklaud , Lord Ebrington , and Mr . T Duneombe in favour . . Mr . T . Duncombe entirely concurred in tbe last re mark of Mr . Marsland . lie believed that not only were master manufactures tired of agitation on tb « subject but tbelabourcrs thunselrcs , for it was injurious both to mployersnnd employed . He regretted therefore that her Majesty ' s ministers were not prepared to settle the question , bo as to prevent further agitation , ( nor . ) As for an Eleven Hours' lull it was most absurd , and
only showed that the government had great doubts as to the justice of the principle . ( Cheers . ) Sucli n proposition would gain them no credit , and would not satisfy tbe factory labourers , who would be content with no . thing short of a Ten Hours'Bill , ( Hear , hear . ) Not only bad past experience shown that a reduction in the hours of labour bad not caused a corresponding decreaso in tbe amount of wages , but be bad letters in bis possession from high authorities alleging that if the hours were reduced to ten . it would rather tend to increase than di . irinisb tbe amount of wages . He would therefore benrti ' y support the bill .
Mr . Escott rose amidst loud cries for a division , nnd moved an adjournment of tbe debate ; giving as h ! s reasons that tbe noble lord tbe member for London , theright hon . baronet tbe member for Tamwortb , and tbe noble lord tbe member for Lynn , the leaders of three ; reat parties in the bouse , bad not yet s oken , the two former being pledged to explain their sentiments . ( Cries of "Xo , " and much interruption . ) Therniht hon . Kentlemau the Recorder for Dublin ought to answer , not interrupt him . ( Laughter , and renewed cries for adivi siot » . ) Mr . Shaw believed the lion , gentleman's only object in moving an adjournment nas to impede tlieprogress of tbe measure .
Mr . LAnorciiiRE would vote with his hon . friend the member for Winchester against th « bill , but be thought bis r . asons for an a r > urnm < -iit wcreextroiml . v uns . tist-iclory . ( Loud cheers ) Such motions wire o ' fttn made for tin- purpose ^ cnabliiii : hon . gentlemen K > ail r . ss tbe bouse who wire desirous of doing so , but bis hon . friend uislndto compel hen . members to speak wl . o bad no wbh to do so . Sir It . 1 ' eel dmiedthat be bad given any pkdgo , or entered into any engagement , to again explain why be should i-flcr all the opposition in his power tu the prinoipie of tha bill . ( Cheers . ) Lord G . Bentinck , in repl y to the lion , gentleman ' s challenge , bej-ged to say he was in favour of the bill . ( Cheers and laughter . ) Mr . lSmsHT having seconded tbe motion for adjourn , ment , thinking it important that the measure- should be further discussed .
Iho bouse divided . For adjournment 7 Against it ... 28 j Majority 0 75 It bvinprnoiv within iivu minutes of six o'clock , much nnxuty wns evinced for a division on the main question before Unit hour ; and on its taking place their appeared For the second reading lfl 5 Against It ' ... 87 Majority ) 08 The bill having been read * second timo and ordered to be committed . Tbki house adjourned at ton minutes past six o ' clock . ( From Oil ) 1 Seco » d Edition of laH week : ) No business of imnortuniru was transacted by the House ( if Louis 01 : Thursday .
Iu the House of Commons Lord J . Hcbseu in nnswiM- | to Mr . Roebuck , said it was the intui'ion of ' n , government Hint the bill for granting loans to the landed proprietors of Ireland for the improvement of tluir estates , and the Irish Poor Law Bill , shoulu p ; lss ,, , several stages as nearly in succession U 3 possiblo to each other , so that they might reiich the House of Lords on the same day , or with only oniMiiterveniiiK if Possible RAILWAYS ( IUKUSI ) ) BILL .-O . i Lord Jon * Uussell ' s motion for &nw- to th « ovum ot the day : ; ii animated discussion an . se as to proceeding viiih ' tbc second rending of Lord fu-orue Beniinek ' s lUilwuy Bill for Ireland ; Mr . Smith O'Brien urging delay , on the ground that , if tbe second reading were carried adversely to minis * rs , befom tlwn-nu-dial measuns now Kfoiv 1 arllamem were passid , il . v consequences irouldlie must disastrous for Ireland .
Lord John Rusm . li , being now , as he WM originally , wholly opposed to tbe Kill , as interfering altogether nli ' l . , the hnanc al plans of the government , called upon his 1 noble im-iid citlur to abandon it , or proceed with it a \ i once , or at the latent on Friday ; whin it should ! i : m j tbe preference over the other orders , except the l ) es > fnuto \ Person * ( Ireland ) Bill . j Lord GfcOKOF . Dkhtinuk regretted that ministers hat j stalled their ofliciul existence ou thu risult lit which I the house should arrive ou the bill be . bad introduced but accepted tho challenge of his nolle irienu . Heel .
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11 said his Lordih ' p . " that when the Quw ^ T ^ T ^ who is responsible for tbe safety of the country , In " , tbat It is for the advantage of that country that H , " ^ sure should be forthviith brought forward , and . '* ' «• bedecided-, hear , hear )_ I f « l I should blZT ^ duty to her M . jesty , as well as to my country | f 1 * ' « hesitate in penevering with my motion . ( Ch ' eor . 7 ? ' « « ir , whaUvtr may be the result , howevrr import consequences , upon my head is not the renDon . il "' , " ' ( Hear and cheer .. ) Should It be the plfniu " , '*• Majesty ' s ministers in the pronent difficulties of I 1 r to desert the helm of state—( hear ) -great as l * 1 " those dirScultiei to be , greater than any which a ' vtirnrorat have ever M % In the conduct of the afl' * ° ' Ireland , my friends are not appalled at those difflcuit * "'and we shall not shrink from any responsibilit may he placed upon us , ( Cheeri . ) m [ It is rumoured this morning ( Fridaj ) that I . or , ) 1 only wants a decent excuse to resign , and that 1 Lord George be supported te night by even a rast ,., ! " ? * minority be will quit office . ] ' Clatll «
The adjournment of tha housa was preceded h announcement from tbe Deputy-Serjeant-at-Arm . h ** a stranger had been found in the members' guller ' w » n in custody ; but , as it appeared he was a nu-mh ""' friend , and gone there by mistake , he « , j , nmod , «• discharged . »«« « wj
{ From wr Tliird Edition of last mik . ) In the IIouse or Lords , mi Friday evenin g u , v ,. .. tute Persons ( Ireland ) Bill was brought up and rc ! rt first time ; and the Distilling' from Sugar Dill Wil , . * second time . No other business of importance ' can ,,. I * foie tb « bou « e . e * In the Hocsk of Commons , oh Friday evening , Lori J RosaiLL moved the thin reading of ths D estitute p ., sons ( Ireland ) Kill , which was passed without . " division . * Lord G . Bentincb then moved the second reading Of the Railways Bill for Ireland . The Chancellor of the Excjiequir opposed the Bill which he characterised ns a measure for the benefit of railway shareholders , and other persons interested i a railways . lie would concede that labour to
a certain extent , might be provided by the Bill , but unless he could bo convinced that the State ought to become a great mouey lender , that these railways would furnish a tufficlent security for thu money advanced , that the benefits conferred by tha scheme would be commensurate with the amount pro . posed to be expended , and tbat the finances of the COUn , try were in such n state ns to admit of BO lnrjC an ad . vaHce , he should feel bnund to reject the scheme . To establish tbat the State should not become a ( : reat money-lender , nnd that the proposed security would not be safe , bo quoted advances which had been m » . l 8 tocanul companies and to tbe three principal cities in Ireland , Uubiin , Cork , and Limerick—advances which
never had never been repaid , either principal or interest . He denied that anything Uk « the number of persons would bo employed as the noble lord supposed , and as railwav labourers were not generally men of families , iintbiniMik . the antieipated benefit would be produced by this 8 chem ' The class of railway labourers , too , were not the class which was sufferings greatestdestitution . and the part of the country through which the proposed railwavs would pass were not the most distressed parts ; therefore be coneluded that 'Ms measure was not ono which would pro duee immediato or general relief , and that in the presen ' state of the . finances it should not be adopted by the house " The right lion , gentleman concluded by moving as an amendment that the bill be road a second tinw that dar sit months . "
Mr . Bailhe , Mr . T . T . Baring Mr . Dillon ISronne , Sir C . Napier , aud Mr . Goulburn , spoke in opposition the Bill , which was supported by Mr . Stuart , Sir G . Tvr . rell , Lord Bernar . l , Mr . Chaplin , and Mr . Hudson On the motion of Colonel Conolly , the debate was ad ! journed . Tbe Distilling from Sugar Bill was read a third tima and passed . The House adjourned at half-past twelve to Mon Jay .
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Sheffield . —A general meeting of the members ot the . National Charter Association will be held iB the Democratic Tumperance-voom , 33 , Queen-street on Sunday , February 14 , to nominate a council for tlie next quarter , chair to betaken at seren o ' clock . At eight o ' clock a discussion will take place . Subi jsct— Will the tr . casuri's , as proposed by Lord Gto . Bentinck . remove Irish grievances ? Messrs . Hri-ci Seward Jackson , Cowill , Dyson , Cooper , Holmes ' and others will take part . On Monday evening at eight o ' clock , the committee of the Chartist Land Company will meet as usual in the above lvoms Halifax . —Mr . Smyth will deliver a public lee ture 111 the Working Man ' s Hall . Bull Close Lane , on Sunday , ( to-morrow . ) at six o ' clock in the even .
mjr . BAitsfUT . — The friends and admiiers of Dr . M'Douall are requested te attend at Mr . Thomas Avklam ' s , on Sunday evening , February 21 st , at seven o ' clock . Derby-. —The members of this branch of the Chartist Co-operative Land Company are requested , to attend a meeting , to be held at Air . Beitield's Temperance House , No . 4 , Green-street , mi Sunday eyeniii !? , February 21 st , at half-past six o ' clock . 1 hose members who are in arrears tor local anil general expenses , are requested to pay up their arrears . iknDEN Bbidok . —Richard Wheclright will deliver a lecture in the Democratic Chapel , Bridne-lanes , on Sunday next , at lmlf-p st twa o ' clock in the atternoon .
LwEttPoot .. —K meeting of the members of tV . e Chartist Association "ill take place at Mr . Farreil's , 4 , Cazneaii-street , on Sunday evening next , February 21 > t , to take into consideration the propriety of holding a meeting to memorializ .- the Queen fur the immediate liberation of Frost . Williams and Jones . Chair to be tills en at 7 o ' clock . Tiik Ciuutists of Mull will meet at the Ship Inn , Cliurcli-lanc , on Sundav evening next , nt six 0 clock , lo make the Heces . wy arrangements fur the visit ot Dr . M'Dotmil . The members of the 1 ! wrtist Co-operative Lund Company meet every Tiiciiay evening , at the above place at seven o ' clock . LiTEiiARt Institution , Jons strekt , Fitimy-KjUAiiB . —On Sunday , February 21 st , at half- ) w seven o ' clock , Mr . Brontene O'Brien will lecture on " Practical Christianity . " His text will be " Therelore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do unto you , do ye even st > unto them . "
lluDDEUvrn-LD . —A meeting of the Clurti > t 3 in this district will tako place on Sunday , the 21 » t instant , at three o ' clock in tho afternoon , at . Arniitage ' sTemperance Hotel , Paddock . A committee meeting will be held in the same afternoon , at six 0 clock , nt Uibeson ' s , Temperance- Hotel , Buxtonmail , IIutldciblK'M , to nuance for the ruvption uf P . M . M'Douall , E-q . ; and the public meeting which will take place on Tuesday , the 33 rd instant , to adopt the National Petition . Caulislk . —The shnichulders of the above liranch of the Chartist Co-opcrarive l . aud Company are requested te attend a tnci-tins ; in their room , " No . 6 , J"hn-slvcet . Caldewgate , on Sunday next , February 21 st at two o clock in the afternoon , for the purpose of electing two auditor ? , a scrutineer , ti . Tlw members are desired to bring their cards . Those members who are in arrears , nro roqueted to pay up before April 1 st , otherwise their names will be erased from the books .
Asshmrly Rooms 88 , Diax-sthekt , Soiio . — Ob Suiuli ' v evening next , February 31 st , at half-past seven o ' clock precisely , Mr . John Skelton will deliver a public leciuic . Subject— " TliwU't : y m ™ Education . FlNSllL'KY I . lTinAKT AND MkcIUNICS INSIITITIOX , Frederick ' s-place , Ui , swell-road .-On Sunday eveningm-xt , l'Vlinmrv 21 » t , Mr . Krnest Jones will deliver a public lecture . Subject— " Masters and Men . " To commence at half-past seven o ' cto * precisely . Pabaoon Hall , u , Charlotte-strum , Klaekfriars ' -ioad , ( lacing Rowland Hill's CIi : mh-1 . )— y Tuesday evening next , February 23 rd , Mr . John Sucltbn will deliver a public lecture . Subject" The Church , itslnfluonee and Character—I '* * cution —Prosecution —and Massacre and r « ' St Jn e ' " lo comM ! unce at eight o ' clock precisely .
v inn rsoimoiUM Elkcti .. n Committed will nice ' on Sunday morning m-xt , at Mr . Smith ' s cM house , Low Pavement , at ten o ' clock . biiORiDiicn . —A Mutual Instruction Society is held at Mr . Taylor '? , 122 , Brick Law , every Suml * . ' evening , at tbe Railway Engine Collee-housr , in *' Church-street , chair to be taken at S " ' clock . 0 » n cdnesday evening nest , Feb 'ii ' . h , Mr . K » iS llE will lecture at the above house , at S o clock . . ftOTTisoiiAM—Th next meeting of the Land Company in this di > trict will K » held at the Ft * an " Hounds , Old Basford , on Suud . iv evening next , ;» 0 o clock . Bristol . —The members of tho Chartist C ^ l '"* tivn l . nnd Company are requested to meoj ai iNicholl ' s Coffee House , Rosemary Street , on W ' day nextat eight ' clock in the evtMiins 1 % iii
, o . . « . » . n . ^ v , 41 b - >;* i u i ; iihi \ 111 iiiu OAlllili ; . 1 LiiiCBfTKis . —The members of the first " , second third sections , aie requested to attend »'*" Church-gale , to elect uiticers for the next tM * months . ., ¦ 0 i . niuM .-0 n Sunday , ( to-morrow , ) a lcctiiiv " , ' lie delivcrd iu the sdwoLruun of tho WorkiHi W Hall , at six o cWk in the evening , by a irieinl- ^ Riciti . Au :. —Tho Central Committee in c"n " tiunwiih the case of Dp . M'Douall , will ^\ ,. Sunday , Feb . 21 st , at the Rope and Anch or , I ( ' )] . ham-street , Rochdale , at which meeting , tin' ""I ,, at Hey wood , Bury , Kacup , Todmordun , a ' ' , ^ towns , aiu respectfull y invited to aUem 1 . meeting io commence at two o ' clock in tin- ' " nnon . - ^
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Northern Star (1837-1852), Feb. 20, 1847, page 8, in the Nineteenth-Century Serials Edition (2008; 2018) ncse2.kdl.kcl.ac.uk/periodicals/ns/issues/vm2-ncseproduct1406/page/8/
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