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mencedspeaking-wb- rn I was there ; Ellis-was there ; 1 Baw Qeorge Mart there ; Richards referred to the Queen ' s begging letters . He said , • All who are in the Bound of my voice have heard tell of the Queen ' s begging letter- She shows her sympathy "very ranch ; but , as for my part . I would say , if the gallows or the guillotinB stood before me , to hell with her and her sympathy . " A cry was then made to adjourn , and the chairman then rapped the table very severely , and said , " Unless yon go for the Charter , and nothing lew than the Charter , I shall resist being chairman . " Richards
made answer " that if the black-faced men would s'ick to them , they -would settle their wages . " There were a good many colliers in the room ; the crowd cried out again to adjourn , as the room was in a manner suffocating , and Richards said ha would say before they did adjonrn " Down with the police , and to hell with the "Queen . " They then adjourned , and Richards said he knew -where hi » old post would be ; he should mount the Swan bores-block . I did not go to the adjourned meeting , as 1 wa 8 distrusted ; 3 have seen Richards and Cappor at other meetings as I passed along .
Cross ^ examked by the defendant Richards . —I believe the meeting was called for 'the ' , occ » sioii of your settling the colliers turn-out altogether . The meeting was not called by a placard to my knowledge . My knowledge is put where your ' s is , I expect . You advise 4 the colliers to stick to you ; 1 know a person named Than mer , a German . He would . give me a character for veracity and propriety . Upon my oath , I » ever ran away with any of his clocks without paying fer them ; I never attended any Chartist meetings before or since ; I attended the Special Comissir-n in a case of arson to give evidence against William Johnson ; I picked two men out in the prison , but I only appeared against
one . Your speech was not in the subjunctive meod ; there was no " if" about it You did not say " if the Queen neither can nor will protect her people , away With her . " It is quite the reverse ; I ne-rer heard yon of late years impress upon the people the necessity ef peaceful and orderly agitation ; I heard yon say bo eighteen years ago . Yon were then a shoemaker , and perhaps yon micht have been a " round '' preacher . At the meeting in July there were people ia the room smoking their pipes , and the chairman rapped the table and said , " Pnt out your pipes . * " Ay , " yon said , ** put out your pipes , or else you'll put out my pipa" J never was a member Df th . B Methodist connexion .
Cross-examined by the defendant Ceoper—I have been very ill since Nsvember , and I have had a shilling a day from the parish where I live . I never told Mr . William or John Ridgway that I vras coming to give evidence ; Mr . Stevenson first asked me to come here ; toe ends of justice might be served if you were imprisoned for two or three years ; it might wform you a bit ; I must leave it to the gentlemen here ; I dare say some of ths gentlemen here will tell you bow long you are to Btop in prison ; if it were left to me , you might stop there for fourteen years . I heard Richards say . " If the Queen show her sympathy in this manner , if the gallows or the guillotine stood before me , I would say , to bell with her and her sympathy ; but we must show our ? - " I am quite sure he said " to hell . * ' The cry of
" adjourn" came soon after , and they all went to the Old Horse Block . George Mart never spoke in the meeting after the cry of " adjonrn ;* there was a cry of " adjourn" befere the chairman rapped the table , and one after ; I had not heard much about the Charter before ; I would not have run my head into it ; 1 paid pretty decent attention to what was said , but Some of it might have escaped me . By " the black-faced men " I understood the colliers ; there might have been 40 or 60 colliers there ; a great number were potters ; the colliers had their pit dresses on ; perhaps there were half-a-dozsn that cried " adjourn . " I don't know what
was said about the police before Richards cried out * ' the police ; " 1 have known Richards about eighteen years : I had heard him preach , and used formerly to think him a respectable man ; my opinion altered before I heard him speak at the meeting ; I have often seen him in a cart , or on horseback , but never attended much to what he said till 1 heard him at the Sea Lioa . I do sot like the Chartists' doings ; they vrew the cause of the barracks being built and the soldiers coming ; we should have no need of them else . For what I know yon might have been the malicious , unprincipled instigator of the disturbances and burning people's houses .
Re-examined—Conliffe asked me to go to the meeting ; I do not know if he was a Chartist ; he was afterwards convicted of irson . Mary Fradley—I live at Hanley ; say husband is a watchman there . I was at Yates ' s teetotal shop on the last Sunday in JnJy ; there were many colliers and potters there . I b&w Richards there ; lhe was talking to the people when 1 came in . He said , how many flocked to the race course to see them , red ragged devils ; had he a son that listed for a soldier , he would break either leg or arm before they should serve as such . He said , never mind ball cartridge when the fray begins , blood for blood , and then we shall gain our point , and the Charter will tee the law of the land . He then said he had some letters to write , and wished them good night .
Cross-examined by the defendant Richards—I know nothing abont you , or whether you have a son in the army i > r no . I never said that I thought you bad said nothing wrong . 1 repeated your -words to my husband , Mr . Stevenson sent me a suhjcsoa . 1 saw yon on Monday when the disturbances were , talking to three colliers near to ten o'elock . You were between Jeremiah Yates ' s asd the Rjyal Oak . I did not bear what you said , but your hand was going as if you were saying something serious . Every man was armed with a big stick . It was juBt -when the windows of the policeoffice were broken ; I am -on good terms with my husband ; I never said he would be the death of me ; be has been too good a husband for that . In the conrse of the cross-examination , Richards said he was very sorry to Bay that from the turn which the evidence bad taken , he should be compelled te rebut it with counter evidence .
Cross examined by Cooper—I got the subpoena about the 11 th of March ; I was here at the Special Commission ; I had 5 s . a day during tbe time I was here ; I did not spend much of it hi Stafford . I went to my mother ' s house ; I never heard of £ 50 being offered as a reward for giving evidence-Re-examined by Till . Alexander—Jerry Yates ' s house is about two hundred yards from the Royal Oak ; my husband is here . Richard Forrester , examined by Mr- Serjeant Ta ] - fonrd—I am cleik to Lord Orranville , at Shelton , and aephew to bis agent . On Tuesday , the 9 th of August , there was a meeting at the Crown Bank . I went there about lour in the afternoon . There were 300 or 400 persons there . 1 had seen some people coming in
procession from Burslem ., about dinner time , between twelve and one o ' clock . On the platform I saw Cappui and Richards . I found Cappur addressing the meeting . BichardB vra » near enough to bear what Cappur said He was next but one or two to him . There had been a disturbance at Burslem on the previous Saturday evening . Cappur Said he had seen that morning a gentleman who came from Burslem , and he asked him ( Cappur ) what he thought of the proceedings of the Saturday night before- CappuT said he did But answer him , but asked bim what he thought of the Duke of Wellington ' s conduct on the continent , when he posted bis army on each side of the Rhone , and decoyed the enemy betwixt his lines , and fired upon them . He said the gentleman said those were military tactics , and Cappur , addressing toe crowd , said , " Yes , my friends ,
we must have military tactics , or we shall never get the Charter . " Cappnr then said , that he had worked an ergine when he was a youn ? man ; that he wentaway and left a lad with it , and that the lad . to make it draw more coals , weighted the steam clack , that is , the valve , and when he came to it again , it was actually trembling on the seating { what the boiler stands on ) , and be was afraid to take the weight off . S » it was , he said , with public opinion . He said pnblic opinion was so over burdened or oppressed with taxation , that it was like unto his boilsr , and would one day , burst with a terrible explosion , and it would then be over -with « nch humbug Ministers as Sir James Graiiam and Sir Rcbert PeaL He proposed a resolution , something about throwing property into one common fund . This address vras che « ed .
Cross-examined by the defendant Cappur—I believe there were printed circulars sent about tbe neighbourhood for a meeting , but I do not know what the purpose of the meeticg was ; I do not know whether that meeting was called the Paupers' Meeting . I have heard you speak three or fonr times in the ~ Polieries . Cappur Did I not say thai the poor being dri-ren to desperation might meet with the same fate as the boiler , and that I wished to join with my friends to prevent . it ? Witness—You said it would burst . Don't yon think that Whigs and Tories have got me to speak for them at elections to keep them in good hamsur ? I dont know . Bont yon think I generally kept them in good humour ? Yea , J think they were in tolerable good humour when you were speaking .
Cross-examiDed by the defendant Cooper—My uncle knew I was coming here ; we have never talked about Hiy coming ; I dare say he knows on triiSC errand I am come here ; Mr . Ward , of Bnralem , an attorney , first asked me to come ; I was at the last Special Commission of Assizs here ; Cappur said he had some houses in High-street , and Chell-street , and Piccadilly , in Tunstall , and he would be glad to throw those houses into the common fund , if others would agree to do the came . He did not propose that tbe plan should b » effected by force . Cooper also endeavoured to shake the testimony of this -witness by insinuations against his general conduct The Court was adjourned at twenty mlnntea past seven till nine the following morning .
WEDJiESDAT , MABCH 22 . Michael Holt , examined by Mr . Sergeant Talfourd . — I am a patter , residing at jUmgton ; I was in my house , which is abont a quarter of a mile distant from Dr . Yale ' s , Longton parsonage , on Sunday , the ! 14 th of August Abont three o ' clock in the afternoon I saw b procession headed by the defendant Cooper pass my bouse ; the procession , which then consisted of forty or fifty persons moved to a waste piece of land , near the Wheat Sheaf ; I followed them ; they Were singing something as tbey -wen * aloe ? , to a hymn tune , tbr « . - ¦ aeiu ' . ' sxg w .-rils of whirjj -tvre asd " H = cas Fru » i , ' . - " ' : ' ¦ « , auu J :-D = i "» Af >* t _ a dn ^ in ^ to ? t -c-
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and continued to increasa Longton church was right before him , and divine service was being performed in it at the time . He commenced his discourse by observing that those religious people would wonder what he bad to say . He referred to the church , and said he had as much right to preach Chartism and politics on a Sunday , as a minister had to preach the gospel . He went on to say that Sunday was not the Sabbath-day , but it was well to have a lest day , that they might walk in tne fields and smell the flowers . He quoted from the New Testament the passage which stated that when onr Lord passed throu . h £ be corn fields with his disciples on the Sabbath-day , the disciples began to pluck the ears of corn and to eat He ( Cooperl did not say that they had done wrong—it was a case of
necessity . Cooper made some reference to the Jewish sabbath , and to the commandment whieh said " thou xhalt keep holy the Sabbath-day , " and remarked that if anyjone lived in a strictly Jewish family they would see the knives and forks put on the table at six o ' clock on Friday night , where they would remain until the same hour on Saturday night . He said in coming from Leicester he bad met 30 , 0 d 0 people at Wednesbury , and had advised them not to go to work until they had got a fair day ' s wages for a fair day ' s work . He afterwards heard him Bay , " Now is the time for tbe Charter , and the Charter we will have ; the Lard baa given us a plentiful harvest , and it is not right tbat people should starve ; " and he might be allowed to say what a member of Parliament had been stated to have said
in the House of Commons , that where tbe people could find food they must take it He then went on to say that every one must know that John Wesley was a good man , and lived upon £ 28 a-year that he might have moie to give to the poor , and drew a comparison between Wesley ' s conduct , and the clergymen of the present day . Cooper next alluded to the Church service , and said that Father , Son , and Holy Ghost , being spoken of as three persons , and yet one God , was mere humbug . He heard him remark that the military were very faw , and that there was nothing to fear , as there was not ten soldiers for every town in England . He next drew a comparison between the rich man and the poor . He said the rich fared sumptuously every day , and hardly knew what carriage to He down In ; and he enquired -what is the poor man's comfort ? A distressed wife and starring children . He then said that be must conclude his rerflarkB , as he should have to lecture at
Hanley , at six o ' clock . Before the meeting dispersed , there was something snng , the chorus of which was " Spread the Charter through the land . " Cooper gave tbe words out . [ The defendant here took out a " Chartist hymn book , " and read the hymn to which the WordB bad reference . ] The meeting was concluded by prayer , after which Cooper said that if any one liked to sign for the Charter they had now an opportunity , as a person was present who would take their names down . The meeting took place within five or six hundred yards of Dr . Vale ' s house , who is the rector of Longton parish . He saw the Doctor ' s house the next day towards evening . Tbe mob . after attacking the Town Hall and the Police Office , went to the rev . gentleman ' s . There was not a single article of furniture Itft whole in the house j the windows 'were all broken , and the house set on fire . He saw many of the mob lying on the premises in a very drunken state .
Cross-examined by Cappur—Witness was a Dissenter , End belonged to the New Connexion . He had heard him preach , bnt ne-rer took much UOtice Of his doctrines . The last time he beard him was at Longton , in February , 1841 ; it was at a Chartist meeting , but he did not know whether tbe subject was on religion . He never knew any one take much notice of what he said . Cross-examined by Richards—I did not see you at Longton on the 14 tb or 15 th of August . I have frequently seen you in old Zion Chapel , Longton . Cooper next proceeded to cross-examine tbe witness at very considerable length , occupying tbe court about three hours and a half . The following are some of the answers : —
I swear I saw you at the b ^ ad the procession on the Sunday afternoon . It was not tbe old hundredth pBalm tuns you were singing , neither were the words " all people that on earth do dwell , " those used on the occasion . I recollect bearing you speak of stopping ti )< 3 weavers at Leicester . You said that Sunday was not the Sabbath day ; but £ do not recollect whether you said all the Doctors of D . vinity in the kingdom could not prove that Sunday was the Sabbath day . Did not hear you say that Christ and his Apostles made no allusion to what we call Sunday . I recollect your quoting our Lord's words about the duty of drawing an ox or a sbeep out of the pit on the Sabbalh day , but do not recollect whether you said you considered it was right to draw tbe people out of their miseries on tbe Sabbath
day . You said it was well to have a rest day , but * lo not recollect that you said it was well both as a civil and moral regulation . I heard you say tbat you should have no objection to two or three Sundays in the week . Do not recollect hearing you relate an anecdote of a person who professed such a reverence for the Sunday that be would not put a clcin shirt on « n tbat day ; do not recollect your saying that all tbe precepts of Chris > tianity tended to joy and cheerfulness , and not to gloom . [ From the cross-examination which then followed , the defendant made it appear that he had inculcated npon the meeting that as God's nature was essentially love , he had not created man to make him miserable for ever , and therefore he denied the eternity of punishment as incompatible with tbe goodness of God . I
1 recollect hearing you say that the colliers at Wednesbury-were on strike for wages ; that they were to have 4 s . per day , but now it was proposed to reduce them to 2 s . 6 d . per day , or words to that effect ; do not recollect your -Baying that you were much impressed when yon &&w 30 , 000 persons holding up their black bands like so many shoulders of mutton ; I heard you say that they were perfectly quiet , but do not recollect you saying , when a resolution was put to maintain •¦ peace , law , and order , " they all held up their hands . Did not hear you say anything of the Corn Laws : 1 heard you say that tbe Lord bad given us a plentiful harvest , and it was not right that we should starve ; you ridiculed the doctrine of the Trinity , and said it was mere humbug , when alluding to the church
service : do not recollect hearing you say tbat the word " trinity" was not in the old or new testament , and that it was a barbarous word , and not invented until many years after the appearance of Christ and his apostles . I do not recollect your aaylng many things yon bare asked me ; I recollect your saying that you had been a Dsist two years , aDd that by reading " Paley ' s Eyidences" you had become a believer in Christianity ; tbat John Wesley was a sood man , and a practical follower of Christ , who , like bim , had been engaged in good works ; you made allusion to clergymen of the Chutch of England , and said " I suppose your rector is a very good man . " When you said those -words there was notbiog in your manner to shew that yon said them with a sneer "r to ridicule him ; I believe Dr . Vale to bear the character of a man who is charitabo to the poor ; I did not hear you say
that there were several goed men in the Church of England , and that you were under deep obligation to one clergyman of that church . Heard you say that the frame-knitters got 7 s . per week , and that they had to pay the rich manufacture ! 3 b . of it for rent , &c . ; did not hear you say that you knew scores of men in Leicester who never tasted flssh meat for the twelvemonth round ; did not hear yea relate an instance of a man who catueinto your shap , saying with an oath " I wish they would hang me , as I have been living npon potatoes for ssveral days , and this morning I have eaten a raw potatoe to appease hunger . " Do not recollect your relating an anecdote of a Right Rev . Father in God riding in his splendid equipage , with his attendants , in London , once meeting with a ragged Irishman , who solicited alms , when bs passed him by unnoticed . The meeting was concluded by singing ; some of tbe Words
were" ( Jod save John Frost , " and " Spread the Charter through the land , " Lee Britons bold and brave join heart and baud . " I did not see or hear of yonr being at Dr . Vale ' s on the 15 th of August . Mr . Benjamin Boothroyd examined by Mr . Richards—I am a snrgeon residing at Shelton , and remember the 15 th of August 1 went to the Crown Bank , Hanley , between seven and eight o ' clock on the morning of tbat day . There was a meeting being held at tbe time , and tbe defendant Cooper was addressing the crowd . He said he bad been addressing a meeting at Wednesbury , at which 15 , 000 colliers were present , when it "was determined to cease work until the Charter became tno law of the land , and then added ,
" I am not come here to advise you to do anything , but to tell you what is doing elsewhere ; although whan you ha- ^ e heard what is doing elsewhere it is very probable you will determine to do the Fame thing among yourselves . " He said tbat delegates bad baed dispatched from that meeting to various parts of the country to instruct tbe people . What else tbey were instructed to say he must not state , for tbey must know where to stop . He then remarked that the greatest good had resulted from these missions , so far as he had heard , and that work bad ceased at Bedworth , in Warwickshire ; Bedford , in Shropshire ; and tbe counties of Northumberland and Durham , and would soon cease elsewhere . He read a letter confirming tha troth of what be fcad said , bnt suppressed tbe writer's name , adding , we must know where to stop . " The defendant then spoke of the low rate of wages , and referred to Scotland , where he said it was well known that miners were only earning 2 s . Id . per day . He said
that the Charter was toe only thing which could secure them " a fair day ' s wages for a fair day ' s work , ' * He then stated that it was the opinion of some that winter was a better time for colliers to strike than summer , as coals were more in demand , and they would be more likely to obtain their object -when mow was on the ground ; but he was of a different opinion . He said , "it was more pleasant to be idle In the summer than ia the winter ; eiid , in the second place , it ia more comfortable when yon consider that the fields are now foil of food for tbe sustenance of man . You may ask bow are you to live during tbe suspension of iabour ? Why , how do they live elsewhere ? They do live , but perhaps not very well , and yet almost as well as the poor working people . You must not forget you have the fields full of food , but I don't tell you to Bteal it . I do not say I -svoultl steal it nj = cif . and therefore -w . uld nvl advise j ~ u to tlowual 1 waa not vnii : ng t . j i . o uiysi . lf : bu ' . : b < --- ' : t : ^ . - I inin ucf a worWi U ; -s ^ k p- v » le ' - ' • - ' - ' *" - ' i- '' ¦ ' . ; > .- . u : > lm . « U ' - ' . 'r " * . - ; ¦ - ' ¦ .. . .- - y _ :-: ^ 0 .-. ¦ - ¦ ¦ . ..... *•* .
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represented as begging of the miner to go to Mb work , adding that it would soon come to that if they would stand firm . He then alinded to the unfair character of the legislation in tbe kingdom , and the law between debtor and creditor . He alluded to the Leicasler Court ef Requests . He said it was no uncommon thing for a householder ' s goods to be sold for a debt which another had contracted . I heard him say you have recently got a Court of Requests amongst yourselves , and a great blessing I suppose you will find it to be . I did not notice any particular effect which the speech had upon the audience . The damage to the Court of R ; quests was done about three hours after tbe conclusion of the meeting .
Cross-examined by Cooper . —I saw you in the Hanley lock-ups when you were brought from Leicescer with fetters round your legs , when one of the persons in the place remarked , that they ought to have been round your neck instead of round your legs , to which you replied that you hoped it was not an Englishman who had said it , as it displayed but little of an Englishman ' s spirit I had no regular conversation with you . You said you were much deceived in the Chartists of Hanley , many of whom you knew to be teetotallers , if they had anything to do witJv the mob . I do not recollect hearing you say tbat you had expressed your regret , both to Mr . Rhodes and Mr . Cotttill , at what had taken p ) ace , and that it was quite contrary to your wish or will . I dij not think your speech calculated to excite the
people to commit the violence they did , but I have not said that I saw nothing in Cooper ' s speech to excite either fear or terror , Or anything alarming , and I waa surprised to see him come back . I waa not surprised to see you come back , When I saw you associating with the men who were tbe first and foremost in tho work of outrage ; I particularly allude to Jeremiah Yates , who Was convicted at the Special Commission for turning out the workpeople ; I do not know of my own knowledge that Jeremiah Yates was the first and foremost in the outrage , but I know that he was convicted . Most people conclude that when a man is convicted on clear evidence he is guilty . I don't know what you mean by the term ' Ridgway man . " I am a little man , and an apothecary , and so far a ' little apothecary . " I don ' t know what you mean by tbe term * ' Ridgway tail j" I have not been engaged with Mr . Stevenson , or his clerk .
in getting up a second charge of arson against you ; I know Weaver-street , in Hanley ; I never went with Mr . Stevenson , or his clerk , to a woman , and showed her a bag of money to come and give evidence ; I did not hear you eay that Mr . Cobden , or any other member , had stated in the House of Commons to S r Ribert Peel that the 60 , 000 starving people of Stockpott could not be put down by the military , for they would be justified in taking food where they could find it . There was a meeting held on Tuesday afternoon , at whieh Mr . John Ridgway and others attended ; the meeting was called by the Chief Bailiff , to persuade the people to refrain from such acts of violence as had been committed ; thia meeting waa afterwards broken up by the military coming into the town . I heard you uistinctly make alluBion to the Court qt Requests in the town . I have myself said that < slaaB-leg \ 3 \ aUon , te a certain extent , was unfair .
Cross-examined by Richards—I have an indistinct recollection of seeing you at one of the meetings on Tuesday , but do not recollect bearing you speak . , Cross-examined by Cappur—I could not recollect a doz ^ n words you have said at any time ; did not see you when you were so foolish aa to mount the triumphal car when Ricardo was chaired at Longton . Re-examined by Mr . Richards—It was about threa hoars after I had heard the defendant , Cooper , allude to the Court of Requests , that that building was attacked by the mob .
Josiab Mills , examined hy Mr . Godson—I am a china eilder , residing at Upper Hanley j I was present at a meeting held at the Crown-bank , Hanley , on the 15 th of August ; I was not there at the commencement ; the defendants , Richards and Cooper , were there ; the crowd consisted of about 1 , 000 persons ; after Richards had done speaking , the defendant Cooper said he considered himself the self-elected chairman of tbe meeting , and called upon a person named George Hemni ings , to move a resolution , which stated , "Como all ye tbat are heavy laden , and we will give you rest We hereby agree to stand by the resolution at the Manchester meeting ; that is , to stand and cease labour until the Charter becomes the law of the land . " After tbe resolution was moved and seconded , Cooper came forward to put the resolution . The defendant Cooper rematked " that it would be un easy mutter to get tbe Charter , for if only one-tenth part of the population came out on a certain day , we shall have the Charter and nothing
can stop us . " He said there were only ten soldiers to every large town in the kingdom . The defendant remarked , some said that winter was the most favourable time to stand , but he considered the present the most favourable time , as there was plenty of food on the ground , adding , " I don't tell you to steal it ,- I would not steal it myself ; but I leave you to put your own construction upon it" There were many persons sitting on the ground , who bad thick cudgels in their bands . At the conclusion of the meeting , there was shouting for two or three minutes , and many of the crowd moved to the colleries of Lord Qranville ami stopped three engines . They then returned , and part went to Messrs . Morley ' s manufactory and turned out the workmen , and the other to the Hanley police-office , and broke the windows , threw out the books and destroyed them , and flung out the constables' staffs . I was at the meeting on the Crown-bank in the evening -, I saw Cooper -with a number of other persons coming across the Marketplace ; they were singing
" Spread the Charter through the Land , &c . Cooper addressed the meeting , which was commenced by ^ singing , l recollect some of the words , which were—, " The Lfou of Freedom is loosed from his den—We will rally around him again and again . " Cooper said he was sorry to see so many drunk around him . They ought to abstain from drink and go about their work in au orderly and peaceable manner , or else they would be detected . He Bald * ' he bad beard many reportB of what had been doing during the day , but it was not for bim to say whether they were true or not , for he had bean at tbe Royal Oak , and Jeremiah Yatea ' s , and the George and Dragon during the day . " I beard of the burnings and riots during Monday , and went home but sat up all night , being afraid to go to bed . I went again to the Crown Bunk , Hanley , on
Tuesday morning . William Eilia and the defendant Richards were there . Etlia was addressing the meeting ; and in allusion to the soldiers said there were not above three soldiers to every town , village , and hamlet in the kingdom , and that the Weekly Dispolch had let the cat out of tbe bag , " with respect to where tbe military lay . A meeting of the authorities was held in the afternoon , which was attended by many of tbe respectable inhabitants . The meeting was called to dissuade from further acts of violence , and to get the people together to protect property . Ttwre was a counter resolution put to the nibbling , -which was carried . Richards and Ellie spoke . Ellis , in allusion to the fires which bad taken place in the neighborhood , enquired whether tha Reform Bill was carried without firi > s ? Whore tUere no fires at Bristol ? Or were there no fires at Nottingham before the passing of the Reform
Bill ? Cross-examined by Cooper . —I am a Corn Law Repealer . -You were preaching on Sunday evening on the Crown Bank , from tbe 6 th commamimeut , " f hou shait do uo murder . " When the service was concluded , you g . ive out that there would be a collection , which was accordingly made . The collecuou was wa . le in hats . You said in reference to your text , it was impossible to obay that commandment whilst thu laws were constituted as they were ; but ; that catnaiand could be obeyed when we got the Charter , [ n speaking of the Charter you said all must become Chartists—indeed we will make you Chartists . I did not give evidence of all that I have now said at the Special Com mission , - hen you were tried for arson . I have stated nothing but the
truth I-8 we ; ir you bad a waiting stick in your band when you said you were self-elected chairman . Did not hear you say that it was union which brought abont the Reform Bill ; did not hear you say that many of the great events in history have been brought about by a few intelligent minds . Did not recollect tLat you spoke of the people taking food where they could find it , Uv themselves and their families , th » t you said Mr . Cobd n , or any other member ia the House of Commons baa said so . The men with cudgels in their hands sat on the ground quietly whtn the speaking was going forward . I am not in the habit of remembering things which never took place ; 1 had not a magnifying glass to magnify walking sticks into cudgels ; I did not see you tuko part in any ef the outrages ; 1 heard you reprove the men f ~ r drunkenness , and tell them to go
about their work in a peaceable and orderly manner . 1 undcMtind by " work , " the same -work of destruction they had been engaged in during the day . Did not recollect your saying , " my lads , you have done your woj& well to-day in taming out the hands ; go oq as you have begun , and you will get the Charter . " Did not hear you say yoa were sorry if some things yen had beard were true ; did not hear you say " 1 am sorry you have destroyed property , and you ought not to have done so , as that will ruin the cause , and you will , nob get the Charter . " Tbe defendant cross-examined the witness at some length as to whether he bad had any conversation with his employer , Mr . W . Ridgway , as to the circulation of the Corn Law Circulars and the Anti-Bread Tax Circulars in the manufactories , the proceedings ef tbe Anti-Corn LawLsaguein the district , and other matters .
The Court adjourned at half-past eight o ' clock , only three witnesses having been examined during the day .
THURSDAY , MARCH 23 . James Wilding examined . —I am a China Painter and live at Hanley . On the morning of tbe l&tb , of August I attended a meeting at the Crown Bank , after it hod commenced . It was after nine when I went there . Mr . Cooper was addressing the people . I remained there till the meeting separated . Tne people went down Brunswick'Street or Piccadilly on the left from the Crown Bank in a direction for Eurl Granville ' s colliery . After the mseting , I was near the Police Ofiicp and saw tha mob demolish the windows and break ints the Police Ofiko . Boc > ks . papars , aad stares wrrp thrown out of th >; ' ^ jp . Ihu mob protserted ' Mr . ( j bbfe ' t- ¦ '' Ubv , wi-. o ; .- \' .. ¦ . ' col ' t . ct . ' > f rV . as . Thi . f- 'iue U-. mlt : ;\ ¦ ¦ > went ¦ ¦ s ' iti . ' i- * ' . ' . ' Pvl ' .: ¦ (¦' . ¦ ¦ ...-. Bvls . i ; i . l . :, . ¦/¦ ¦ ; . ; .. . i' . j ..- v . ' ,- ¦ " - ' LI . , > > . . ' ¦ > ., > l
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of Requests . I followed them and saw the same kind of destruction of' property as at the other places . 1 afterwardB went to the Police Ofi&ee at Sto&e , where I saw destruction iuf property and a fire . The ftre was made in front of the Police Office in the street I afterwards went to M'ir . Allen's , at Fenton , and saw that great destruction of property had taken place . At the morning meeting it was stated publicly there would be a meeting in the ' evening . Between six and seven in the evening , I eaw Mr . Cooper at the meeting on the Crown Bank . I have no positive recollection who else was there . I had seen Mr . Riohatda and others come
down the Marketplace with Cooper in the direction of the Crown Bank and found a great many people assembled . I heard Mr . Coop « r address the meeting . He complained of many of his friends being drank . He said tbat they would betray themselves , tbey would be detected , they would be sold , what other things they had done he approved of . There were Borne persona standing at a distance and be told them to come forward to bear what he had to say , he said he supposed they were Tories . , He said he did not advise them to commit acts of violence , he did not tell them to do so , but from his manner I understood that he meant
them to do it He used gestures and shakes of the head . This was I after he bad said he approved of what they had done . Either at the morning or evening meeting he said there were not ten soldiers to each town . Before the meeting broke up another meeting was announced publicly for the following morning ; Cooper was present when it was announced . Cross-examined by Cooper—I should wish to see a regulation in the Corn Laws ; I am a Corn Law repealer ; I don't know any man called "Dirty Neck ;" I am not the man ;¦ I have had my clothes six or seven months ; my hat is a new one ; 1 had it in exchange for some china ; the china was my own ; I bought the china ; 1 got tbe money by regular buying and selling ; I can't tell how I got every particular shilling ; I bought and sold what I produced , and I had some wages for my work ; I did not work much , I had not much to do ; I cannot tell you bow much I have been employed during the last six months ; many have not been employed ; you put a stop to that in August last .
C-Joper—Don't jyou know that your character tbtoughout the Potteries is that of a filthy and idle man ? Seijdant Talfourd—Really , my Lord , it is not surprising that witnesses Iobo their temper . Cooper—My Lord , I think that the appearance of the witness in the box is sufficient . Mr . Justice Erskine—The man ' s appearance is before the Jury ; you can make your comments upon it when it cornea to your turn . Cross-examination resumed—I have taken ths benefit of the Insolvent Act , unfortunately . The witness was cross-examined as to his owing muuey to a lodger , which he dented ; and also as to bis being acquainted with a man named Johnson , who was a witness at the Speeial Commission . Cooper asked if he had not heard that that m : m was turned oat of Court by one of her Majesty ^ Judges , and his evidence refused .
Mr . Justice Erskine said he could not hear anything of what her Majesty ' s Judge did without knowing his reason for doing it . The witness was ! next asked whether he knew a widow named Margaret Matnford , and that sue had two houses . He replied tbat be knew her , but was not aw ire that she had jtwo houses which belonged to her . Cooper—Did you ever defraud her out of any money ? Mr . V . R- Richards—I object to that . Copper—My Lord , is that an improper question ? The Judge—The witness may decline to answe ? it . Cooper—Did you ever defraud her of any houses ? Witness—I shall not answer it Cooper—Do you decline to answer that because it is a family affair ? Witness—I decline to answer it Cooper—Do you owe a great deal ot money for a poor man ?
Sergeant Talfourd—My Lord , for the sake of the public time , I think it rigbt to object to that question formally . Witnesses are not baund to disclose their private affairs . : The Judge—I think the question may be pnt . Cooper—I must say , in answer to Sergeant Talfourd's remark , that I am not acting with a desire to consume the public time . Judge—The Learned Counsel does not say you are : but he says that the effect of what you are saying is to consume tbe public time .
Cooper , to Wituessr—Di ) you owe a great deal of money for a poor man ? VVlitneas—I don ' t know that I do . Have you ever been in a lock-up in your life ? Ob , I'll teli you all about that if you like . At the Newcastle election , in 1831 , Mr . Wedgewood , Mr . Miller , and Mr , Edmund Peel , were candidates , and the potters were very onxiou 3 tp bring in their man , Mr . Wedgwood , ana tbey seemed vexed at it the same as men do get vexed when theyjare losing . A disturbance took place , and I was going down the streets , not doing anything , when two Newcastle men said hare is a potter ,- tbey put me into the workhouse , locked me up foi hall an hour , and then discharged me . The witness was examined at some le- gth as to his having belonged to tha Potters' Unions for an advance of wages . The Learned Judge told Cooper that if his object by tbat cross-examination was to shew a justification for
workmen combining to raisa their wages , be might save himself the trouble of continuing an examination of the witness on that point ; as he ( Mr . Justice Erskine ) should tell the Jury that there was nothing illegal in workmen combining : together for that purpose by fairand legal means . Copper replied tbat he had another object in view . His chief intent was to shew tbat the oppressions used by the manufacturers generally , who were Cora Law Repealers , to throw their men out of work bad caused the late riots . Their ( the defendants ) object was to clear themselves of the charge of conspiracy by shewing this : and they should feel themselves slaughtered if they did not make this justification . In the course of further cross-examination , Cooper asked bis Lordship whether it was consistent with the rules of justice for one witness , who had been examined , to take notes of the subsequent evidence aa he saw the witness Mills was doing ?
His Lordship replied that it was quite consistent , and that there was nothing to prevent it . Cooper—There is a strong impression , warranted by a perfect knowledge , that there is & juggle , if this man is allowed to inako notes and go out and show them to other witnesses . The Judge—But it is not proved that be baa done so . Cooper made some remark in reference to the irght of the defendants to have an impartial trial . The Jude—I am sure no case was ever beard -with more patiencu than the present Cooper—I am sure ,. my Lord , I am sensible of you . " kindness . Yuu have been kind beyond a degree , and and more than I could have expected . It is only our peculiar circumstances that induces us to act in tbe way we have .
Crossvxamtnation resumed—I never said I would hang yuu if I could . I have said tbat I waa sorry I had to come against you . I don't go about saying that you ought to be . transported because you oppose Corn Law repeal ; I never said you ought ts bu transported at ail . 1 cannot recollect ever having said that you caused my poverty by opposing free trade . I have said tbat your influence , and others connected with you , has disturbed peaceable meetings when they have met for a different object than that of promoting the Chatter . For instance , there was a meeting called at Hanley , on the christening of ithe Prince of Wales to raisa a subscription to give a dinner to the aged and tbe poor , but the Chartists interfered and would not allow it ; they would ailow no meeting bat what had the Charter in view . I believe I have said that the Chartists opposing free trade had done an injury to business .
The witness was further cross-examined by Cooper as to the part which he had taken in previous elections for Stoke-upon-Trent , and as to- the words which witness had represented Cooper to have used with respect to gathering the harvest i Cooper's object appeared to be to show that be had said to the people " What ! you will say strike for the Charter when the harvest wants gathering ? " and tbat he then replied that it was the province of the yeomansy — tbe farmers—to go home and gather the harvest ! The witness repeated that he
understood Cooper to mean that the people must go and gather what was then on the ground at harvest time . . Witness added that b& believed he used both the words " plenty on the grouncV ' tand " harvest" He ( witness ) had not used tbe ward harvest in his evidence at the Special Commission ; . bat he had not now used it from , reading in the papers that other witnesses bad done so . Cooper put a number of other questions to the witness , which he repeated several times , and to one of th « m tbe witness answered " I'll not charge my memory . "' to
Cooper appli ^ i his Lordship to take that answer down ; but Hi 3 Lordship declined to do so , having token a similar answer previously . ! Cooper than said—Then I shall feel it my duty to make a memorial upon it . His Lyr&ship—Very well : you may make it . The orosa-exuininatioh was rtssumed ; and Cooper asked a number of questions with tbe view of shewing that tho witness had either encouraged the riota or had expressed approbation at particular outrages . This the witness most positively denied .
Iq the course of some ] subsequent cross-examination , Cooper put several questions with the view of shewing that the magistrates who had committed him at Newcastle allowed leading questions to be put to the wit-Besses by the solicitor for the prosecution . The witness aiade some answer to ione of the questions wbicb Cooper wished bis Lordship to take down , but his Lordship declined to do so . Upon this Cooper again said that he should feel it his duty to present a memorial on the subject .
His Lordship . —I care ! not , in the slightest degree , what memorial you may present . I shall take the notes of what I think is material in the case ; but I desire , Sir , that you will nut dare to threaten me with any memorial , or I shall feel it my duty to vindicate the authority of the Court by inflicting upon you some punishment ; Cooper , with much earnestness , assured his Lordship that whtn be said he should present a memorial he meant thai ; he should present one against the tu » gistrat' a for allowiajj leading questions t-j be put to tha v . > -,, .- ,. . , itnd tint h < 3 bad h . vJ cj fnttn'iun to ¦ ? . ¦ ¦ < I . 'f'M'jj fte . c-sid assure h s Lr ' - ' : i t ! ¦ . - . ' •' :: : ¦• ••§ ' hu Tv : :. n . .. : ..
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His Lordship intimated that if Cooper's remarks applied to a memorial against the magistrates , he ( Mr . Justice Erskine ) had nothing to do with that . Cooper . —I suppose there could be such a measure as bringing au action against the magistrates ? His Lordship—You must take advice from some other person on that question : but 1 cannot allow you to examine this witness with a view either to a memorial or an action against the magistrates . 1 cannot allow evidence to be given excepting with reference to the question before the jury .
The cross-examination of this witness was ultimately closed about three o ' clock , having occupied five hours and a half-Mr . William Palmsr , examined by Sergeant Talfourd ] live at Hanley . an 4 am tbe lessee of ths Hinley Water Works . On the morning of the 15 th of AoRust 1 saw a mob of people going towards Lord Granville ' a pits : 1 afterwards heard of tbe damage done to the police office ; between ten and eleven o ' clock 1 went to the Royal Oak , and related what 1 had seen and herird to the landlord ; the landlord called the defendant Cooper from a pariour in his house ; the defendant Richards was in the parlour at the time ; at the request of tke landlord Cooper came out of the parlour , and he requested me to state what 1 hod seen ; 1 told him that several bailiffs had been turned out of a hoase by the mob , where they had possession of the goods for rent ; and also that some shoemakers and Btone-misona . and a ? so tbe workmen at the large manufactory of Messrs .
Morley and Co ., had been compelled to leave -heir work ; 1 also told bim that 1 had heard they bad broken into the police efflea , torn up the books and thrown out the constables' staves . Cooper , on hearing the relation , remarked , " That ' s rteht , that ' s ri « ht ; that ' s the way to do it" ' 1 curtainly left Cooper , and . believe , Richard ' s at the Royal Oak . There was a meeting at the Crown Bank in the evening ; i went there after the meeting had commenced ; Cooper waa speaking ; be said , addjeesing the crowd , " you have done your work well to-4 ay , but 1 am sorry to see so many of you drunk ; yeu must not take drink , for so sure aa you do so , you will ba sold or done . " Ha allu'led to tbere being very few soldiers in the country owing to the drain of them for the wars in China and the East . Defendant said he understood there was a . desire to arrest bim , but he would so manage his address as that they should not be able to do so ; 1 did " not see the defendants Richards or Cappur at tha meetincr .
Cross-examined by Cooper—1 am a Com Law repealer ; 1 can positively swear that 1 made the relatien of the breaking into the poJice office , turning out tha workmen , &c . whilst you were in the room at ibu R > yal Oak ; I recollect your denyin ? before the magistrates tbat yon were in the room ; 1 do not know whether yon said " that right , tbat ' 3 right , that's the way to do it , " with reference to the turning out of the workmen , or to the destruction of the property that bad taktvi placo . I understood you to Bay tbat they would bs defeated in obtaining the Charter if they got drunk . You advised the crowd , in case of the soldiers being brought out , not to molest ox taunt them , but to allow them to pass , and they would harm no one . 1 several times heard you exhort them to observe " peace , law , and order . "
Mr . James Moxon , examined by Mr . R . V . R-. chards — 1 am an attorney living at Skelton . l recollect a meeting being held on the Crown Bank , Hanley , on Tuesday , the 16 th of August 1 saw the defendant Richards at the meeting ; he was elevated on a platform . Mr . John Ridgway havint ; previously addressed th « meeting , the defendant Richards got up to speak . He said Mr . Ridgway had been talking a good deal about fiscal regulations , bnt did not know what ha meant , and added , " but 1 will teJl you some time , lads . " " 1 wonder whaS Bjbby Peel thinks about us ; 1 should say be did not feel quite so easy now , as he has not got it qnite s « much his own way as be thought of having . 1 should not wonder if bs WGUld not be slad to change situationa with a poor old cobler . They
find their half measures won't do for us now , but we both must and will have the Charter . " The defendant then went on to say , that talking of half measures very much reminded him of a tale be heard the othee day , and as he was fond of keeping the « " in good humour , he would relate it This gentlemaa happened to have a very valuable dog , which had a disease in tha taiL He consulted the proper authorities , and found it would be necessary to have the dog ' s tail cut off . He accordingly directed his servant to do it The first night be cut one joint off , and the dog howled much , being in great pain ; the next night the servant cut off another joint , and the dog howled still louder ; the third night he cut off another joint , when the dog howled so tremendously , that be quiie disturbed the master in the parlour . When the master came out to make enquiry about the disturbance , the servant said he had been cutting the dogs tail off ; but he thought it would be bo cruel to cut it off ail at once , tbat hd
had done it at three times . Now we must have the tail off all at once ; we wont be cheated and gulled any longer with their half measures ; you have nothing else to do but Btick to what you ate at . and the day ' s your own . Where are the soldiers now ? They have not Rot ten soldiers for every large town , in the kingdom . Stick to what you are at , and the day is your own . Richards then said , before patting , let me give you a word of advice , above all things avoid drunkenness , " be sober and vigilant . " Will you drink their poisonous s'uff to injure yourselves ? Defendant said a young friend of mine , as worthy a lad as ever lived , would bo lodged in Stafford gaol this morning , at a quarter or half-past five , for nothing more than being caught drunk at Dr . Vale ' s . " I again repeat it , " said he , will you take their poisonous stuff ? If yon do you will defeat yourselves ; only stick to what yeu are at , and the day ' a your own . " Witness had heard the rumour that Dr . Vale ' s house bad been on fire .
Cross-examined by Richards—I only heard the latter part of what Mr . John Ridgway said . The part which I beard was an admonition to the people to be quiet , and not take any violent measures such as they were doing , as the way in which they were proceeding was not the way to gain their point . He also advised them to go home and be peaceable . I do not recollect that you said that the property and income tax would be a perpetual biiater upon the small trader . Dj not recollect that you said , in referring te tbe tariff , tbat Sir Robert Peel had benefited one c ! as 3 at the tspence of an « other . I believe you might have made use of some
of the expressions , but not of the whole of those you have put to me . Heard you advise the people to go on as they had done , and the day was their own . I inferred from that you intended them to follow out the same line of outrage as they had just done . I have heard you speak at other meetings . From your speeches you manifest a strong wish to get the Caarter . l did not remain until the close of the meeting . I heard William Ellis epeafe after you . 1 am positive that 1 heard you say that a young friend of your ' s had been taken into custody and lodged in gaol for being drunk at Dr . Vale ' s . [ Richards denied that he knew any such an individual . ]
Cross-examined by Cooper—I am not a Com Law repealer ; cannot say that I have been at any of their meetings . Am not on Mr . Ridgway ' s or Mr . Mason ' s side . I could not swear that the anecdote about the dog's tail had a reference to the substance of the speech . I thought some of the expressions used by Richards had a reference to the riots , rather than to the obtaining of the Charter : I am sure he used the words " sticfe to what you are at" several times . I am sure that what I have said about the soldiers was wbat Richards stated . Did not hear Mr . Ridgway say that their desire for the Charter was unreasonable . Did not hear Mr . Ridgway say he was opposed to the Charter . Mr . Ridgway advissd them to be peaceable , and Richards cautioned them to abstain from drink . Re-ixamined by Mr . Richards—The faces of many Of the men at the meeting appeared as if blackened by smoke ; they were swarthy and dirty , as if tbey had been up all nigbt .
In reply to questions put by the Judge , at the request of Cooper , Witness said the faces of the men did not appear as if purposely blackened . John Williams examined by Mr . Godson—I am a grocer residing at Sandbach , in Cheshire , which ia about twelve miles from Hanley ; I went to Hanley on business on the 16 th of August , and got there about halfpast seven in the morning ; I saw Mr . Parker ' s and Mr . Aitken ' s houses ; I went to the Crown Bank and heard Ellis addressing a meeting ; Ellis said it appeared to be the watchword at the different meetings to have " a fair day's wagea for a day ' s work ; but his watchword was " political rights to the working classes ; " for until they obtained those rights they must not" expect " a fair day ' s wages . " He went on to say
that there was but ene soldier for every hundred persons in the kingdom , and thai if they did not # et their rights before the red-coats came back from India and China , they would be thrown back a hundred years . He Bald tbat George Thompson and tbe anti-Cam Law League were a set of humbugs and despotic tyrants : they wanted a repeal of the Corn Laws that they might reduce the poor man ' s wages ; he said the bUbops were rolling in splendour and living on tbe fat of the land , whilst the poor were starving , He ( Ellis ) went on to observe that he had not bad the opportunity of bear * ing the first part of Mr . John Ridgway's speech , but he had read bis speeches delivered both , in the Potteries and London , and from what he had heard be was a worse Whig new than b 9 was twenty years ago , and
advised the meeting to take no notice of what he bad said . I left the meeting , and soon afterwards it broke up , and a crowd overtook me on the road to Burslem , which had come ia the direction from tbe Crown Bank ; I got to Barolem before tbe crowd ; there was a dragoon at the door of tbe George Inn , when some persons brandished their sticks and cudgels , and ran at him ; be retreated into tbe house , and endeavoured to close the door ; some persons afterwards entered into the inn , and tha crowd outside broke the windows ; stones were thrown at some of the soldiers ; I beard tbe Riot Act read ; there was a conflict between tbe military and the people , and one niao waa shot ; tbe crowd from Hanley and the crowd from Leek had previously met together j the crowd consisted of abont four or five thousand persons , I saw about tnwn .
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STAFFORDSHIRE ASSIZES . - ( Continued from our Sixth Page . ) addressed them ; he aia , "Wemnst have the Charter , thoach 2 suppose we Bhall have the red-coated gentry to stop us j bnt there are not many of them in England—they have been sent to murder the poor Chinese . They have not more than five to each town . " He then begsn to ridicule the Church , the bishops , and the clergy , and told the people te arm themselves . 32 iose wise could n . ot sffjrd to buy ^ anns , he said , could at least assist -with the torch . Ellis -was close by Csppnr at this time . When Cappur concluded , he ssid , ¦ Hta «* s my friend EHis , trho -wiD tell yon more about it than I can . " William Ellis then proceeded to address the mob . He saia tbey must get arms , and
that they wanted strong nerves to use their arms . He also said , if they could not get the Charter , they must Isj waste and desolation through the land . He spoke of the Boysl PaaoUy , and said that they had saddled { he ennntry -with a pauper "who would havB bis £ 21 , 000 a year the same as the rest or them ; he said that thia country could do very well without him , and that they had brought him to beget another race of young paupers , -who -would aQ be saddled . npon the country . He spoke in a degrading and disrespectful manner of the Queen ; I forget the precise -H-ordB . Ths people applauded at intervals . The meeting lasted an Jjout altogether . One of the lessees of the market , Mr . Johnson , disturbed them , and ¦ cleared tb . 8 Majtetplace . Ellis and Cappur walked away together , Cappur carrying tha stool on which they stood .
Cross-examined by the defendant Cappur—I know j tlie day because I r ** fl a stovs moved out of my shop on ; fijat day . The stool yoa stood on WaB a three-legged j giooL The arms yon spoie of were destructive arms , j I am encaged in a law suit against i ! r . Bennison in ! eonsHjnMJce of abase I got for giving evidence against j you ai the special commission . I never knew anything ! against you but your politics . Cros-esaminea by ths defendant Cooper—1 never ¦ rsa airay mth the box belonging to the bdldra * club at t Cheadle ; I formed the club , and -was its Becretary for ' three -wetks . I "was never a bully for a prostitute in j london * r anywhere else . I am not influenced here by \ any feelings of revenge ; I came here reluctantiy , owing \ to fee annoyance 1 have received and the insnlts , I have daily experienced from the Chartists for coming here . ' I iave beai Insulted in various ways in the public j stiefcts- I hsvs been hurt in my business and character
by the Chartists . I used to employ six or eight men , * but I h » re oi . ly hid lately work enough for myself , I j have often beard Cappur spe * k ; I am certain that on file occavioB 1 have already referred to he spoke of arms anfl the torch . He aJso alluded to pikes . In ridiculing the ehureb acd tbe bishops , he said-that tbe church £ ad it ? origin irith that Woody tyrant Henry Tin . who ; bad his "wife beheaded one d » y > and married a whore ' tbe next , and ths bishdpa and parsons of the present day followed in Sis steps as far as tbey could . I spent ; no money in wine or riot while I was at Stafford before , and J never was drunk there . I expect , trhea the triala are otbt , Tfhat tbe county allowa , and no mote . Tbat willaot bill rsmunerat © me for the loss of time and loss of business to which I have been subjected . 3 do not come here for gin . I do not come here for gain . I do not expect to receive any part of tte £ b 0 reward which has been off ^ ed .
Mr . Charles Davenport , examined by Mr . Y . B . Bichards—1 am a surgeon residing at TunsialL J remember to-wards tbe end of June last , a meeting held cm a Friday , in the MarkeV-place . I went to it about eight o ' clock . 1 biew & person named Cappur before that time . I saw him there . Ellis was there also . Cappnr was speakiag when 1 went . He continued for probably not more than a minute er two afterwards . Cappur introduced Ellis to the meeting by saying he understood he was a Socialist , but -whether he was or not , be believed bim to be an honest man . I remained there about t-wo minutes . I went away , and when I returned Ellis -was speaking . I believe Cappur -was then there . When I returned to the meeting EJis was relating an anecdote of a boy begging of a parson . The parson asked the boy whether he could pray , and the boy said he could not The parson then began to
instruct him by requesting tbe boy to repeat after bim file LoKrt prayer . Tie parson began with "Our Father , -which art in HeaTen . " Then the boy , very properly , as Eilia stated , asted tbe parson how bis father could bs tbe boy ' s father . Tbe clergyman thea informed the boy tbat tbey bad a father in heaven . The boy then asked the clergyman if their Heavenly Father -was not an unjust and cruel father , for having fed him itite clergyman so well , and for having starved ftim { the boy ) so much ? Ellis made some disrespectful and disloyal remarks upon the Queen asd Royal f amily . He then said that the time "was not far off "when the Bousdfense and intelligence of tbe people "would do away "srith such a fiction as religion , asd also the ' la"ws , ¦ which -were made for the protection of a set of potbellied parsons asd pot-bellied Tories . I then left the meetinz is
disgust-Cappxrt expressed a -wish tiat Mi . Baveaport -would give him a character Hz . Davenport said he -wished to put Csppur on Mb guard "with respect to that question . His Lordship asked Cappur -whether he -wished the qaestion to be put , observing tbat it must be as to Ms i > eajr " a good subject aad a loyal aoi , " because the present charge against Mm "was for censpiring against tbe irws . Cappa ? burst into tears , and expressed a "wish that the question should be asked . In reply to question , Mr . Davenport said be had fcnourn Cappur twenty years . His lordship then asked Mi . Davenport -whether Capper had borne the rhyw *''* of a peaceable and loyal subject ? Mr . Davenport—Not a loyal subject , my Lord . Hi . Justice Erskine—Has be boms the character o !
Z peaceable man ? Witness—1 should say , unconnected "witli his viewB on the established religion of tbe land , and unconnected ¦ with loyalty , that he "was a peaceable man . Sis iordship—2 Tot likely to incite perEons to the employment * f violence ? Witness— -1 cannot say that , my Lord .
Cooper then proceeded to cross-examine tbe witness "with respect to Ms having said that Cappur "was not a loyal man . His Lordghip intimated that fee thought Cooper ought io abstain Irom * - » tiT ? g questions of that sort , for fe&r be should injure Cappnr by doing so . Cooper , however , continued bis cross-examination on this point ; and in reply to his questions Mr . Davenport said—1 call a man loyal who supports the monarchy of bis country , and also its laws and religion . Mr . Cappur has spoken in my hearing against the Constitution of Sing , Lords , and Commons . 1 have beard bim say JhM the House of Commons -was corrupt , and that the people "Were not represented by the Haasa of Commons . I cED 5 idEr that untrue . Cooper—Then it is peiltclly true tbat tbe Eoasa of Commons is upright , that the people are represented there , tint « very member is immacnlttte , ana disanguithsd for honesty ?
Sergeant TEafocrd objected to the question , 3 s one ¦ which it iraa impossible loi the -witness to be able to answer . Bis L-rdihip decided that the 'witness "was not bound to ani > rer the question . Cro = 5- < xamiratioD cortiiiued—I have beard ten persons sayao in my life ; I have heard Cappui say that Sie la-sr -Rujs tyrannical and oppressive , made to oppress tbe jwir , sc-i to serve ths interests of the rich . * ilj ressoa for sayicg ifcat Gsppor was a peaceable man ub--cottneeled wiii bis vie * r 3 on the established religion of tie luirf is , that I have heard him say that he was not 22 advocate for monarchy , and that he -was an enemy la tDe established religion of the land . Copper—Aj * there not Dissenters is yonr U > -wa ? " ^" = 3 * 23—i think there are .
2 > j zhzj nw oppose the established religion of the ted ?—1 belie-re some of them do not 1 . think there art » - > : n-e -wijo rive their support to tbe established ifcikko - f the land . I tMTtt l know some Weyleyana " * t& i : j JO . A » e \ tc " Wed ? vans Ditsenters ?—I suppose tbsy are c ^ = d . saoB ^ i DiB seniers . x > Bt jon know that tbey siy tbsmselves that they are 2 o * Dii-sptEis ?—That I cant say . £ & : doi-t yon know that Wesley himself said te was 2 K a D sinter ?—I do . TThat do y ^ n mean by Dissenters ?— Tfcosa who tyP ** rh 2 reli ^ en of the land . / * re those m « i "Deaceable men?—Yes , TI believe some Of tiria sr « ia
^ iBr ! y « job that Cappnr not a peaosable msn , oecaBse be opp ^ the established religion ?—I said , Tffic ^ astcted with his views on the established religion ° m l £ Oi aad tojslty 5 ! d ° not consider him a pevce-K ) i = man inasmuch as I do know that he bas incited Pe ople to oppose both tbe lawsof hi * country smd aJso ae-e « sb&hed religion of the land . I have htard him * SfiK-s nnastudes iu those terms ; I have beard him <* eE 2 mte the bishops as panpera and robbeo ; I have beard him abuse the -whole body of tbe clergy , and the Established Churcb . Tbe Dissenters , I believe , csm-P-ain that tha exaction of ebnrch rates is a robbery ; « I am ; o speak of these -whom 3 have beard say so , I mould say they are not peaceable men ; but I "would aotsay that tbe general body of tbem are not peaceable ? en ; Idonotmtan to say that Cappur
anotabe-££ Yer in Christianity ; I never beard Cappur BWew ; I bwjfe ~ e I heard distinctly -what Ellis and Capper aaid , although my hearing its not very good ; I waa in attendanee fct ? e at tbe last special commission ; I expect to be paid my expences , but am perfectly indifferent whether i am paid or not ; I did BOtxefuMthe money Sl tk » special commissions I « n no more indifferent to ibk ^ -j tian otter people ; I Wnfe I wu allowed either apoasd era guinea a day ; I received probably eleven « twelve guineas and my mileage i tfcia formed no in-QBceiEaii to me to come , as I left a very extensive -pracnee in the hands of a son in a very delicate state of heaiih ; 1 never heard speak of £ 50 being offered as a teward for grnng . evidence ; I read over the evidence ¦ whitS I tad stated I could give yesterflay sacraisg ; -3 fcavt relibd entirely on my memory j tbe copy has not KrvfcQ it ? » a ! L
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Northern Star (1837-1852), April 1, 1843, page 7, in the Nineteenth-Century Serials Edition (2008; 2018) ncse2.kdl.kcl.ac.uk/periodicals/ns/issues/vm2-ncseproduct796/page/7/
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